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[-] Grumpus_Maximus 1 points 1 hour ago

It's not just flock. Companies like Lexis nexis are just as bad.

[-] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago
[-] Kissaki@feddit.org 2 points 4 hours ago

that the Audit Assistance can flag “what may look like an odd search history from a specific user,” helping customers understand how their users are operating the system.

A flag does not mean that it is definitely abuse — it only means it warrants further investigation.”

Helping the customer => entirely dependent on how the violating org handles these.

Even usefulness is entirely dependent on how effective the flags are in the first place. If false positives are too high, even good intended may call not worth it.

It may even be counter-productive if perpetrators cheer each other on when getting flags but no consequences.

Without transparency on 1. flag conditions 2. number of flags per org 3. results of org response/flag-flagging… who wants to trust this?

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 4 hours ago

I suppose you could achieve this with a constantly illuminated red light.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

That's because nobody can explain exactly how the 🌈 imagination ✨ works.

[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 47 points 22 hours ago

It’s just a list of their customers.

[-] Archimedes@sh.itjust.works 6 points 15 hours ago

It identifies it so that it can be covered up.

Hope that clears it up.

[-] Kirp123@lemmy.world 18 points 21 hours ago

Flock is bad but they aren't the only ones. All the camera providers work with the police and some don't even disclose it. I remember watching a John Oliver bit where they got their hands on the logs of the cameras the police accessed and for how long. One of them was in a local gym during the yoga class.

https://youtu.be/lnBPhelCdWE the whole episode is really worth watching.

[-] boobookittyfrick@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago

Yeah at least they’re honest about it!!

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 20 points 22 hours ago

"You won't even need to delete the video. We'll identify it and label that camera as 'malfunctioning' during that period for you."

  • Flock's top salesman
[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago

I don’t know if this incident involved Flock or a competing product, but John Oliver recently described an incident on his show that demonstrates one of the major issues with this technology.

Apparently an ALPR reported a “hit” on the license plate of an SUV in a shopping center parking lot. The vehicle was reported stolen. So a half dozen or so police performed a felony arrest of the woman in the car along with a number of family members, including small children.

The problem was that while the letters & numbers on the license plate matched, the actual stolen vehicle was a motorcycle from a completely different state. So if any of those half-dozen cops had bothered to confirm even one additional detail about the stolen vehicle then this wouldn’t have happened.

How will Flock improve their technology so that police actually do more than the bare minimum when being told of an ALPR “hit”?

[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 hours ago

This isn't the first time police have followed up on a license plate without confirming the make and model to assure it's the same vehicle.

It's a preventable problem.

The real problem is that law enforcement don't care, any more than they do when they SWAT the wrong house.

[-] limonfiesta@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

False positives are a feature, not a bug.

The police will always take any excuse to justify their love for unlawful searches and seizures.

That is the reason why they don't take any extra steps to confirm the information is correct, because they view it as the perfect alibi for their many crimes and constitutional violations - the AI made me do it.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

As I understand it, any and all "audits" and "guardrails" are all entirely internal to Flock and law enforcement themselves, and therefore, absolutely useless.

Like social media itself, it's going to be up to the judiciary and civil lawsuits to fix this shit. (Though the widespread vigilantism is heartening.) I don't think there will be any meaningful regulation until some cop somewhere deletes his entire family after using Flock to stalk and hunt them down. (And let's be honest, here in the US even that might not be enough.)

[-] northernlights@lemmy.today 10 points 22 hours ago

Dialog box: Have you committed an abuse? Yes / No

[-] Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip 7 points 21 hours ago
[-] sanitation@lemmy.today 4 points 21 hours ago

given how much is a labor costs - I suspect foam might even be more efficient.

also - are those poles set in concrete? I suspect some of those delinquents could just pull the pole out entirely.

[-] Zahille7@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

A good few of them are set in concrete. I've seen posts from someone online called the_guardrail_guy, who goes around and checks the regulations on guardrails making sure they're not too close to the road or anything. He's looked directly at multiple flock cameras, and each one he's recorded himself inspecting has been set in concrete.

[-] MushuChupacabra@piefed.world 7 points 22 hours ago

Flock Surveillance State says its new tool will help identify police abuse, but hasn’t explained how it works because it's bullshit

[-] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 7 points 22 hours ago

Let me guess, they will police themselves..

[-] jobbies@lemmy.zip 7 points 22 hours ago

Hint: chat gippity.

[-] LMurch 6 points 22 hours ago

I might give a little support if the cameras would help prevent police brutality, but pretty sure the cameras we need would suddenly malfunction at the worst times.

[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 3 points 18 hours ago

I'll consider giving support after there's a wave of police getting held accountable for abuses, and headlines of the police unions demanding for flock cameras to be taken down. However I'm not holding my breath.

For now it seems like they are just supposedly adding ways to possibly catch cops who are, using the cameras for illegal stuff like spying on swimming pools, yoga classes, or stalking ex's...

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