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[–] 17 points 2 years ago (15 children)

In Quebec they use sand, I don't see why that can't just be done here, it's not like it's a major change to the equipment or anything.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    It can, they often use it

    Sand doesn’t melt ice but it provides traction; too much and it’s slippery again, too little and it does nothing

    If you have a busy road where it’s constantly being moved around as well as melting and freezing again then it’s not ideal

    The dirt also has to be cleaned up

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)

    Fair.

    Doesn't sound like there's a great solution overall.

    Imagine if we were crazy enough to heat the streets from underground.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    Shifting away from car dependancy would reduce overall traffic and make sand more useable and reduce total salt used when salt is still needed.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    The problem with that is you're not going to reduce traffic and shift away from car dependency because the entire GTA is designed exclusively for cars. If I want to go to Costco I have to take the highway. If I want to walk to the local McDonalds it would take me at least a half an hour to get there from my house. If I want to take a bus, it takes 30-45 minutes before one passes, and the routes are inconvenient, almost always requiring a bunch of transfers. You easily triple or quadruple your journey time by trying to take public transit.

    The GTA is too far gone in suburban sprawl to really reduce car dependency unless we tear down all the low density single family detached homes and replace everything with 15-minute-cities-style mixed residential, we're never going to actually reduce the number of cars on the road, and with more suburban projects still sprawling further, the issue is continuing to compound.

    They wanted to use the Glen Abbey golf course for residential real estate and they estimated another few thousand homes, which in a best-case scenario include higher density duplexes and such, but would more than likely be generally full of single family detached, contributing probably about on average a car and a half. I can tell you already Oakville does not have the road infrastructure to handle even more cars, and zoning approval for denser real estate is fucked because everybody on the council is NIMBY as all get out.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    "We cant not design for cars because we already designed for cars"

    Toronto existed before cars. People walked or took the tram. It can't be fixed over night but it can be rebuilt to be less car centric.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    We can design for pedestrians, my point is just that the majority of the GTA needs massive massive reworks to be pedestrian friendly.

    I'm not saying we can't, it's just that we haven't for the last two generations, and now it's even harder to break the habit.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    The best time to start was two generations ago. The second best time is now.

    Allow mixed-use 3-5 story buildings everywhere, remove parking minimums, and watch how transit corridors fill with liveable neighborhoods.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I've seen gravel used more than sand in Quebec. Same problems though. Bonus points is you get to eat shit in spring while skateboarding.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Blame corporations for applying obscene amounts of salts to prevent liability issues. The place I used to work at would put down so much everyday it was like walking on rocks. The entire sidewalk and parking lot.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    When I lived in Calgary they used beet juice and it worked fine.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Curious, do they use Sodium Chloride or Magnesium Chloride or something else?

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  • [–] [B] 2 points 2 years ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The move to reduce the amount of road salt during the winter months can't wait because Ontario's groundwater and lakes are showing "very rapid salinization," researchers at the University of Waterloo say.

    "We actually use a lot of of salt, and salt is a very effective way to keep roads, sidewalks and parking lots free of ice, and that, of course, is important in terms of ensuring the safety of road users and pedestrians," said Philippe Van Cappellen, a professor and researcher at the school, as well as the Canada Excellence Research Chair Laureate in Ecohydrology

    Most recently, Van Cappellen was part of a research group that looked specifically at Lake Wilcox in Richmond Hill.

    Van Cappellen said he wants local municipalities to talk about their road salt use, setting targets such as reducing its use by 25 per cent in the next five years.

    David Pressey, the Region of Waterloo's manager of transportation operations, said the muniipality has been aware of concerns about the use of road salt and has actively worked to decrease its use.

    The region will lay down a brine solution when it learns a storm is coming, helping reduce the amount of rock salt spread during plowing.


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