51
Idk, if given the choice between 50 death camps or 51 death camps, it would be pretty fucked up to choose 51.
Precisely. That's why you need to think more broadly. So you don't become evil and pretend it's OK.
Nobody is pretending it is okay.
But pretending like refusing to vote is morally superior than actively preventing the extra death camp is not.
We need a revolution 🇦🇱✊🏼nothing will improve until the pedophile class lives in fear
This is a false premise. Instead of choosing which evil we want to accept, we can choose which evil we prefer to resist.
The electoral system also gives that lesser evil legitimacy, insert robot voice: "they were voted for democratically, these protesters all just hate democracy and {country.capitalized()}!".
In all seriousness, what you are putting forward requires actual resistance, not just marching in the streets like is too common nowadays, but actual efforts to make it hell for people in power, and it actually makes it harder if the people in power can make you look unreasonable because you voted for them.
Resist by giving them legitimacy
True, and I agree, but we do actually have to resist for that to be the case. Not just with the signs and angry letters we've been using to try to convince the corrupt to simply not be corrupt anymore, but with actions that actually prevent them from making things worse, up to and including their death, if necessary. Until then we really are just voting for the lesser evil and letting them do whatever they want.
Resist all of them
bOtH sIdEs
I fucking hate that we keep getting this "both sides bad" ideology, now "both sides deathcamp" ffs, right during Trump's reign where we are seeing concentration camps and illegal wars right after a boring Biden presidency.
Boring? There was and still is literally a genocide going on.
But thanks for proving the meme right.
And how many concentration camps did Biden build?
And how many does Trump gloat about building?
You're exactly the type of dumbass I'm talking about. We literally have a US president directly supporting and building concentration camps and you cant tell the difference between that and Biden not being vocal against another country's genocide.
How many were active during biden's campaign, how many did he not shut down?
Why was nothing done about abortion rights?
Why did he support (and not just "not being vocal" about) the israeli state during an active genocide?
Your "blue team" is just as complicit.
this is a bullshit argument
one side in US politics is pretty ANTI death camp while the other is very much PRO death camp. lesser evil voting in this case is ANTI death camp
you putz
Except if you consider that one side committed a genocide and then the other side committed even more genocide.
And refusing to side with the better options actively works the worse option in the hand.
Vote local, vote to end FPTP.
Damn election season already?
You only say that because you want the 51 death camps party to win.
This is true. The problem is, in a lot of US elections, you only have bad choices. You have really bad, and a little less bad than really bad. What I wouldn't give for ranked choice voting.
lesser evil won in 2020 & we got:
- genocide
- record police killings of Black Americans
- record COVID deaths
- record trans murders
- 1st declared LGBTQIA+ emergency
- homelessness criminalized
- record inflation
Democrats didn't try to repeal the Patriot Act. They kept reauthorizing it. They didnt try to address Citizens United, they ignored it. They didn't try to close Guantanamo Bay. They didn't try to roll back ICE funding. And all the stuff that Trump is currently doing, they will do absolutely nothing to roll any of it back. Liberal lesser evil enables the greater evil. When liberals say lesser evil, what they mean is the same evil but affects them less.
And now the bigger evil won in 2024 and we got:
- even more genocide
- literal racist death squads (broke record too)
- return of plenty more diseases
- even bigger record of trans murders
- declared LGBTQIA+ as enemies of the state
- homelessness killings and deportations
- even bigger record inflation that is making people go bankrupt
Thank you for proving the point that voting lesser evil slows the decline.
Fight for a third party during pre-election, but not during the election when it is obvious to everyone the third party isn't going to do anything.
I will poke only one hole in your little list there.
lesser evil won in 2020
record COVID deaths
pretty sure any number of deaths would've been record numbers...
We mostly get three votes. We get to vote on how we spend our money, who we give it too. We can cast a ballot. We can vote through physical action.
All of which are constrained for you
Yes, but that's always the case. Reality has fundamentally constrained me, beyond that the will of others has constrained me. Of course I know you're speaking more to governments and systems of power than the experience of ancient people living in small tribes. In some form or fashion we are always constrained.
Unfortunately unhelpful when the greater evil is so extremely evil, so the only choice is to either vote against the greater evil or not vote at all (or at least not have any likelihood at all that your vote will make any difference).
Especially with the electoral college for president there really is no other choice in the US. There is no chance of a third party since if one of the three doesn't get a majority, then the winner is determined by those already in power. And most other federal elections there's very little chance of a third parry with no huge pool of money from one of the two parties actually winning. It happens, but very rarely and most who win these days were already in their positions before the removal of caps on corporate cash and the idea that corporations have human rights was ingrained by our corrupted Supreme Court.
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