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[–] 101 points 4 months ago (21 children)

I was surprised by how weak and digressive it was.

When they announced their intention to bury it I assumed that meant it was accurate and on point, and they wanted to bury it for exactly that reason.

But instead it almost feels like a whitewash - like the sort of thing the DNC would've ordered specifically to divert from the real problems of support for genocide and subservience to moneyed interests.

Makes me wonder if this is some sort of elaborate fraud - if they didn't just throw this together as a substitute to release in place of the real autopsy.

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  • [–] 86 points 4 months ago* (8 children)

    Paul Rivera spoke for an hour to big donors about the autopsy, prior to the announcement that they would not be releasing it publicly. This report was crafted to assure that business as usual politics would continue. Democrats don't care if they lose as long as donations keep coming.

    That's it.

    That's the takeaway.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Democrats don’t care if they lose as long as donations keep coming.

    Right, but that's exactly why I assumed that the autopsy was accurate and on-point - because it found fault with things the DNC not only was but still is deliberately doing solely to keep the soft money rolling in, and in spite of the fact that those things will likely lead to a loss. That's the reality they don't want the voters to become (more) aware of.

    But since it's just a mealy-mouthed whitewash, it seems like they might as well have released it as promised.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The report only confirms that and they were trying to avoid being called out.

    That or this AI slop of a report, with factual errors on almost every page and a blank conclusion section, isn't the real report and is just fodder hoping to ignore the issues they don't want to address.

    Either way we can draw the same conclusion about party leadership.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    Either way we can draw the same conclusion about party leadership.

    True that. The names may have changed but the policies and strategies are the same now as they have been since at least 2016 - pimp the pro-corporate/pro-zionist "moderates" no matter what the voters want, at least ignore if not actively campaign against the progressives, again no matter what the voters want, and most important of all, don't do anything that might cut into the flow of soft money.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    To an extent. They and Republicans are committed to learning the wrong lesson. All these people refusing to vote Etc or voting third party. You will never get their attention or get them to learn from your actions. They will always look at the one of the two that won. And imitate them. It's what's happened for over 50 years. And the same people are still in charge.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    All these people refusing to vote Etc or voting third party. You will never get their attention or get them to learn from your actions.

    They know.

    Third party votes aren't cast to win an election. However, third party voters certainly change local politics, where all of their progress is being made.

    (for example, ballot initiatives in my state had massive third party participation, and have been successful)

    re non-voters, they are growing every year, now at about 36%. They know they can't get their attention or teach lessons, too.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    What seems obvious is that Paul Rivera, who wrote this report by himself and provided absolutely no source material, was in way over his head and may have even made shit up.

    What boggles my mind, though, is that rather than come out and say the report was poor quality and clearly omitted many important issues and thus has limited to no utility, DNC Chair Ken Martin went to the media and tried to sell it like there were important conclusions drawn and that the DNC was enacting them.

    Ken Martin of course hand picked Paul Rivera to do this. I don't know if he was trying to protect his own ego or what, but he very blatantly lied to the public about this report and has lost all credibility. I think it's likely he loses his job soon.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    At this point, I'm tending toward the interpretation that Martin and the rest of the DNC upper echelon wanted and expected a report that would, among other things, pretend to address the rather obvious failures of bowing to the self-serving desires of big money donors and at least tacitly supporting the Palestinian genocide, but would then do some sort of fallacious end run that led to the comforting conclusion that that wasn't really a problem, so it would be okay when the DNC, as they fully intend, keep right on doing both of those things.

    And what they got failed to do that.

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    [–] 54 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    Palestine

    Israel

    Genocide

    0 results

    Guess it didn't come up :\

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Might be a hot take, but I think regardless of her or the DNCs position on Palestine she had already lost.

    It's very stupid to not have analyzed it in a report like this, but also literally like, what difference did it make

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    Possibly. I think there is something to be said for pushing away every politically active young person in your base and how that impacts your "ground game", and failure of the ground game is something they do touch on.

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    [–] 52 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Ken Martin flat out lied about why they weren't releasing this report, and attacked people who criticized him over it.

    He has to go, and not just him.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    His interview with Jon Favreau on Pod Save America was the absolute worst. It sounds like the guy did a great job in Minnesota, but whoever showed up for that interview that day is someone I want nowhere near power. And yeah, now we've confirmed what we suspected, the whole time he was talking down to Jon he was lying through his teeth. I agree he has to go.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Hands down the most frustrating thing I’ve ever listened to. I wanted to shut it down so many times. Jon did pretty well pushing back at him but I really wanted him to push harder whenever Ken said “we gave you lessons” and tell him he’s conflating morals/conclusions with lessons. Lessons come from learning from a past event and you can’t do that without knowing the background. Also wanted him to say more explicitly that asking for blind faith was bullshit.

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  • [–] 40 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The autopsy concluded that so-called “identity politics” don’t resonate with white male voters. The report noted the success of Trump’s attack ads, particularly the anti-trans spots with the kicker, “Kamala is for they/them, President Trump is for you.”

    “If the vice president would not change her position—and she did not—then there was nothing which would have worked as a response,” the report asserts.

    Fuck these ghouls

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago

    No wonder Democrats lose. The inclusion question and the GQPedos targeting groups is the easiest fix in the history of fixes, but Dems keep getting it wronger and wronger. The answer is not to make more exhaustive lists of the groups they want to help, which invariably leaves people out, it's to say "everyone". Any stupid questions about [insert targeted minority group], answer "everyone should feel and be safe". This is an easy fix and they'll taking 18 months to wiff on the answer? We're in trouble.

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    [–] 15 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    We really need ranked choice voting

    Ranked choice voting allows for multiple choices and parties and candidates

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Approval voting system is better. Ranked choice is certainly an improvement, but it still incentivizes inflammatory and polarized politics and can still result in the candidate that is desirable to the most people losing (even being the first to be eliminated). But anything is better than the current First Past The Post system.

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    [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    Wow... What a train wreck

    I didn't realize it'd be possible for it to be even more vapid and feckless than I expected...

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    Don't worry, folks...AIPAC had a chance to go through the data first, and they found nothing wrong with the conclusions made in this report.

    10/10 AIPAC approved.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Dems: we released this report in order to make sure that you could trust us.

    Also Dems: we investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong. It's your fault for not voting for us.

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    [–] 9 points 4 months ago

    There’s no way the DNC could stop sniffing its own farts long enough to provide any kind of meaningful analysis of its own actions

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Who the fuck cares anymore.

    America already surrendered to tyrants.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Surrendered?? Wtf are you taking about? Things are dire out there, but there is a resistance. Get off your damn couch & join it, out build it if you have to

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I would like to believe you are correct, but all I've seen is some sternly worded letters and people hanging out in the park with signs. Neither of these is much of a resistance. No answer to Project 2025. Nothing but a death by inches defensive approach politically. The Democrats selling out voters at every turn and calling it decorum or similar. It certainly looks like we're cooked.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I seriously doubt this was prepared during the time they claim it was. It seems like a bunch of nothing words with a strict no mention of anything the left has been talking about being the issue. It's like what you'd get if you asked a chat bot to prepare an almost 200 page document about why it wasn't any of these things while being careful not to mention any of those things.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Former leadership appointed a single guy to write this report with no real academic resources, so it really just reads as that guy's opinion.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Discissions of this are so completely over-serious... We're looking to breakdown nuance in an autopsy document and the guy who "won" is telling reporters, "Your face is dumb, okay? And to tell you the truth it very actually looks like how a butt looks. You're a real nasty bitch woman for saying a face like that. My uncle you know, he did face, a genius they said even probably, but your face... bitch face. [Wet fart]".

    We're a failed nation, it's a hard reality to confront, but it is reality. The freightened idiots feel untouchable, this won't resolve with reasoned debate with strong citations.

    Civility is already lost, by definition the Democratic party won't do the law breaking required to compete with this disaster. And that probably means the only win wouldn't fell like a victory at all, because we'd have to stoop so low. The only candidate that might compete today is someone who breaks into the white house ground and writes, "trump kisses my balls" on the walls in his own shit. America is captured.

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