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[–] 87 points 4 months ago (3 children)

If only getting estrogen were this easy...

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    And The fact, that oral estrogen is the least effective way of taking estrogen. Additionally its also the application form which cause the highest strain on the body, due to all the estrogen having to be processed by the liver just for most of the estrogen to not reach the blood at all.

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  • [–] 38 points 4 months ago (3 children)
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    [–] 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

    Before a lengthy discussion takes off: red meat causes colon cancer. And it is a climate killer. And the cows don’t like the entire idea either.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    Okay but what if I'm an accellerationist who hates climate wants suffering and hates the taste and texture of meat do I have to eat it or what

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    [–] 23 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    I pointed this out and just got "nu uh" and "well the plants have more, and it does affect you!"

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    [–] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Note to remember: an entrenched belief has never been changed with anything less than a primary source, and even then it's rare.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)
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    This comment section is full of "cow-tits-sucking-contest enjoyers". Be aware of that.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

    Phytoestrogens absolutely bind to estrogen receptors and do affect the body. While not as potent, it still mimics estrogen.

    The comparison here is like saying psilocin doesn't bind to serotonin receptors because it isn't serotonin.

    Since any other reference probably wouldn't work here, have one from one of those holistic medicine places: https://denverholisticmedicine.com/blog/2018/5/17/phytoestrogens-friend-or-foe

    You shouldn't need to spread misinformation to promote a hobby.

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I agree with your first point and I really dislike the amount of misinformation flowing around on both sides, but spending even a little time online will show that is just humans being humans on any topic.

    Since any other reference probably wouldn't work here, have one from one of those holistic medicine places

    I’m not sure if I’m reading it right, but are you saying that people here, so vegans, don’t trust normal scientific evidence and are only here to reinforce their beliefs by excluding proper evidence? That sounds kind of patronising and implies people are only vegan because of their biased world view instead of proper ethics and science.

    […] to promote a hobby.

    This also sounds dismissive of veganism and rude towards people that try their best to reduce harm in a part of their life. Vegans do it because they see it as necessary to live ethically consistent. This is not something done for ✨fun✨.

    I would recommend leaving these unnecessary remarks out of your comments if you want to address misinformation such as in this post more effectively while also coming off more respectful.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    https://nutritionfacts.org/video/who-shouldnt-eat-soy/

    Please take a look at this. If you are genuinely concerned with health, and nutrition and are wanting to base your ideas in science. You'll realize that you are the one spreading misinformation.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (9 children)
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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Counterpoint I want as much estrogen as possible :3

    (yes ik neither milk nor soy will give me enough I need estrodoil)

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)
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    [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    So uh, what are the effects of this cow Estrogen? I can imagine it is not so straight-forward as it seems, and has unfortunate side-effects.

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    [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Soy may have protein, but boy does it taste like shit. Pulses, lentils, legumes, even just wheat is better in my opinion.

    But textured soy, prepared in the chaap fashion, is fucking delicious. Chicken does not even come close.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I eat a lot of soy protein and it definitely seems to help my estrogen levels. Not by much (like turn you into a woman) but it definitely helps.

    Men need estrogen, anyways.

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