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[–] 23 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

For what you have been doing to get Russian oil, it's more a kneeling position than a bow.

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    [–] 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Forget US and China, Pakistan next door forces their hand every 5 years lol.

    Which is an insult considering its a military regime state built on IMF loans and an economy that has been kaput for nearly 2 decades.

    India actually has serious geopolitical leverage but Modi doesn't use it like former PMs have because he traded it all away in exchange to be a suck up to foreign powers, especially the US, despite India historically being a close Russian ally.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Modi is primarily a showman who makes headlines only for the people living inside his country. The truth is that he's one of the most subservient servants of lsrael, and greater lsrael aka the USA.

    If you want to follow other headlines made by him, please follow https://feddit.online/c/news_from_the_subcontinent

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (49 children)

    It seems India has a very hard time moving on from colonial times, and fail to realize that we are historically in a different era now.
    And that Europe now respect international law more than most, that frame the right of self determination and right to trade to all countries.
    Something Russia and USA fail to respect, and unfortunately a precedent China seems to begin to take lessons from.
    I India wants a law based international world order that respect the sovereignty of countries, they should be working with Europe instead of Russia.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (32 children)

    Europe like other powers respects international law when convenient.

    Look at western Europe when it comes to the Taliban vs Israel. They assisted a US invasion of Afghanistan and they support Israel.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (22 children)

    Europe always supported Israel as a victim of WW2, this support has been misguided for decades IMO.
    At least it is finally dawning on many European political leaders that we cannot continue to support Israel, because their crimes cannot be defended by "the other side is just as bad" anymore. Europe is actually moving towards morality in general, not against it.
    Regarding Afghanistan that was an FN mandated operation supported by most countries in the world. And it had some pretty good reasons behind it.
    But in hindsight the operation was futile, and the atrocious religiously fundamental regime that we hoped to replace with something better is back. Oppressing everybody especially women based on fanatic religious beliefs. IDK why you call it Taliban vs. Israel, because AFAIK it was originally Taliban vs. USA.

    So no Europe does not only respect international law when it's convenient. Which is also why from day 1, USA was not allowed to use many European bases for their attack on Iran.
    European countries have been following USA into questionable endeavors like the Iraq war, but already back then, many European countries were unwilling to help USA, because the operation was "questionable".
    And as it turned out, the intelligence that allegedly justified the action, turned out to be false. Which to many of us was no surprise. But USA fooled many governments. My own government was investigated for the issue, and the conclusion was that they did the right thing, because USA was crucial for our defense!
    So yes that part is sick. We are not perfect, but we are trying to improve. And Iraq was themselves an aggressor, so they weren't exactly innocent.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    The invasion of Afghanistan only later became a UN operation, after the invasion began. And Iraq was the aggressor in the 80s not 2003.

    I'm not encouraging, defending, or supporting the Taliban in any way. It was just the first example that came to mind. Hell the Iraq invasion would've made a better example as that had nothing to do with the UN.

    And I'm not saying there isn't a divide in Europe on Israel either.

    But the countries in Europe for the most part have taken a stance to support Israel (examples being UK, FRANCE, and Germany) while also leading a military operation on a sovereign country.

    There are many other examples and more the further back in time you're willing to go. The French campaign in Algeria for instance.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (10 children)

    And Iraq was the aggressor in the 80s not 2003.

    Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. But you point is true.

    Hell the Iraq invasion would’ve made a better example as that had nothing to do with the UN.

    I agree, I was extremely mad at my government for falling for the American lies and joining USA in that.

    But the countries in Europe for the most part have taken a stance to support Israel (examples being UK, FRANCE, and Germany) while also leading a military operation on a sovereign country.

    This is sadly true, and the times I've heard that Israel is a democracy, as if that is an excuse. Why would a democracy have more rights to invade other countries? I am all for democracy, and I believe democracy is by far the best system of governance we have. But that doesn't mean we have a right to break international law, or help other countries when they do so.

    There are many other examples and more the further back in time you’re willing to go.

    That is consistent with my point that Europe has generally improved to respect the rights of other countries more. Israel is a sore spot in that regard, other examples since WW2 were typically driven by USA, like instating the Shah in Iran and destroy their democracy. There is no reasonable basis for the way the west has treated Iran after they rebelled against the Shah. Except the insane immorality of having an official government death warrant on Salman Rushdie. But that has never been an argument against any of the sanctions or threats against Iran.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (6 children)

    I do concede the point that they've improved. Though there do remain other examples such as Lybia, Saudi campaign support against Yemen, and how the French have conducted themselves in the Sahel

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (5 children)

    Europe has nothing to do with Yemen on either side. I also don't see why Libya is relevant, they've been a fucked up country for decades internally, with civil war and crazy leaders like Gaddafi. Sahel is a huge belt in Africa, and I have no idea what you mean with France behaving badly there lately?

    Sorry but here you lost me completely?!

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    European countries bombed Sarajevo, against UN rulings not to intervene into the war.

    European countries attacked and bombed Libya and allowed the murder of Gaddafi.

    European countries attacked Syria with no UN authorization.

    European countries currently sell weapons to Israel, not against international law but quite morally difficult to support.

    European countries pay Libya and turkey to keep migrants in detention centers and not allow them into the EU.

    In general not too bad for that many countries, but definitely not completely free from guilt.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    All your examples are either false or interventions to prevent genocide.
    Most if not all European countries have stopped selling weapons to Israel. Israel is no longer seen in Europe in general as a country it can be morally defended to support.
    And how the fuck can you blame Europe when Arab countries continue to support Israel and USA?
    Europe has near zero support for Israel, compared to UAE and Saudi Arabia that continue to support USA and Israel.

    Again Europe is actually trying to stand on the side of international law, and none of the examples you use show otherwise.
    You are being dishonest and you are propagandizing against the interest of truth.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    All your examples are either false or interventions to prevent genocide.

    No, they are not.

    You are being dishonest and you are propagandizing against the interest of truth.

    I am European and I am critical of certain decisions taken by my government. Those are valid examples.

    I have no interest in spreading false information.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (8 children)

    While I agree Europe bend rules sometimes, your examples are out of the place. Europe (NATO actually) assisted in Afganistan because it respected law - UN is authority in such cases and it authorized operations as per article 5 triggered by US. One can argue that Europe supported Israel but honestly EU part of Europe is just slow to react, even when they just need to withdraw support. I feel like EU didn’t want to support Israel (and looking at how mad orange man support was not according to expectations) but since it takes so much time for 27 countries to coordinate on foreign policy it was going by inertia.

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    [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Really? What if gravity suddenly got stronger?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Me before meeting a dommy mommy

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