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I'll say all day the goal should have stood. This is a clear red card though and I have no idea how neither the ref nor VAR gave it.

Look, he didn’t use his arm as a weapon, so what complaint can anyone really have? Lol, I’m joking, but in my head I am imagining Bruno G severing his arm, putting some barbs on it, and proceeding to beat people with it

So when is the audio from the Havertz VAR decision leaking?

All these retrospective comments are useless, only make us more grieved.

Start by giving post match punishments and make these more harsh than what they would get during the matches. Give Bruno 6 matches ban for this.

“It’s not nice”. Yep but how does that fit within the laws of the game….

and the glorious panel of 5 a week later voted this 3-2.

2 people didn't vote this as a red card.

such stupidity that you'd be naive to not consider corruption.

And this is after everyone was giving them credit for the process on the one they released. Clearly they just release the one that looked better. It’s all a PR exercise.

VAR and refereeing in general could be easily improved by an automated software that simply asks the referees about the situation they are reviewing.

Literally just a screen that asks: What are you reviewing? Check all that apply.

Foul? Offside? Unsportsmanlike Conduct?

Then based on what they're reviewing, each team member reviews one aspect.

Handball? -> Did the ball hit the arm below the shoulder (or whatever the rule they're using is)? -> Was the arm extended from the body ? -> Was the arm in a natural position? -> Was the arm in movement? -> Blah blah blah you get the point.

At the end of the process it spits out a quick list of potential options and the refs make a decision that has been assisted by the software. And then, because we know what refs are like, it'll ask them if they've checked for obvious errors. "Are you sure you reviewed the right player? Are you sure you want this onside goal to be overturned? Are there any players having their hair pulled by Cristian Romero?" etc.

Oh and train people in this process, so that the VAR team can be composed of individuals who are not mates with Anthony Taylor.

just checked the flair. still crying. i bet they will keep on crying about it till the end of season.

It’s embarrassing.

No clear protocol.

No professionalism calling each other by their nicknames.

No technical language at all.

Could you imagine a rugby referee describing something as ‘not nice’?

what's crazy is that it's basically one person deciding on the decision with no argument against him.

Just a reminder that Tomiyasu got a yellow card for taking 8 seconds on a throw in and got a yellow for an Ayew dive which led to him being sent off against Crystal Palace

Meanwhile Bruno received one yellow all game for elbowing Jorginho in the back of the head, pushing him in the back off the ball, choked Declan Rice and shoving Fabio Vieira in the face.

Best league. Worst refs.

So, why can't they retrospectively ban him? The evidence is there. Seems odd to be like "ok, that should have been a red.... but his got away with it"

However long Arsenal fans cry about it - they can’t escape the reality. This was a red but it was the less egregious and later of two such incidents. On balance Arsenal weren’t screwed over by the refs and still lost.

This is an unsophisticated operation. We should have a mini version of a traffic control center- multiple screens, technologies and angles to quickly decipher. It is easily possible. This is a few guys interpreting things in a rushed fashion. Game has to move on yes, so every angle needs to be ready to go instead of them marking possibilities and points of failure with multiple humans hurredly

Bruno was gagging for a yellow the whole game so he could serve his ban for the Bournemouth game. At this point he must have thought what do I have to do to be booked 😂

"Not used his arm as a weapon".... Jesus fucking christ. Does Chuck Norris have to parachute onto the pitch, sub in for Bruno, only to karate chop Jorginho in the throat for VAR to think its worthy of a red?

Where the fuck was this energy when Casemiro was sent off for slightly forcefully grabbing someones shirt collar? I don't rememeber weaponized arms being part of the equation then.

I loved the introduction of VAR, but it just clearly shows us that these refs are just making up the rules as they go along, and no amount of tech is going to fix that

Hitting people from the back in any conext is totally illegal as far as I'm concerned. Especially when the first contact by the aggressor comes from some part of their body above the waist. In my experience I've had guys who were in a full sprint come up behind me while I was jogging in the box looking past the goal to where the ball is, and they throw up a forearm or elbow to decelerate themselves using my spine as a cushon. In these situations you get direct contusions from the initial blow, and sometimes whiplash and cervical injuries because you can't see it coming. I think when any adult does this it is borderline assault, and should not be a part of the game at all.

I was thinking this is meme VAR with actors, than realized its actually real leak. They sound as me and my co-worker commenting on a foul.

Sometimes it's best just to let go

can't give red card to Newcastle player easily though, otherwise oil money will stop.

Scrap the refs and get AI to do it

What an awful headline, written in the typical Daily Mail style. Howard Webb "admitting" something doesn't mean anything; the man has been retired for years and is simply a TV pundit. It was a bad call and bad process, but I see no reason to promote the Daily Mail here

What happened to them retrospectively banning players?

We still talking about this game smh

(Bruno should have a got a red though no doubt about that)

They are very clearly lying in the audio, there's no way that they don't know it should've been a red, they made the conscious decision to not follow the rules of the sport, to the benefit of one team & the detriment of another.

The fact that this had to be leaked & wasn't released on the VAR review show says it all, they were trying to hide it.

And yet the majority will still laugh at the idea of the PGMOL facilitating match fixing.

Give him a red card after the fact. That will REALLY piss off their bosses from their second jobs.

lol Arsenal had Xhaka with "bad reputation". He never had that type of match. Never hit the guy in the head or went shoulder in the back. And he was sent off many many times.

Interesting to know what’s the arbitrary level of the supposed “threshold” before a red is given? See blood? Concussion?

Completed the title for you:

Leaked VAR audio appears to reveal the reason Bruno Guimaraes was NOT sent off in Newcastle's controversial win over Arsenal was due to VAR and professional referee Andrew Madley not knowing the rules.

and that is me being generous...

“Are you happy with this image?”

First person who speaks sets the narrative and everyone else just agrees. There's no way that everyone in that replay booth believed it not to be red.