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[–] 100 points 5 months ago* (49 children)

I support spreading this message, and fuck Google, but...what's actually happening is they are making harder to install apps, not removing the ability to do so.

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116489468836419322

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  • [–] 179 points 5 months ago* (28 children)

    After massive pushback. Their original plan was basically full control. It still is, but they'll allow you to install something if you ask nicely first.

    The other issue is the timing. They can claim this is for security all they want, but it was announced suspiciously close to the courts ruling that Google needed to open up their ecosystem to other app stores. This is a blatant attempt to keep control of the app ecosystem by forcing devs to go through Google regardless of where they intend to release.

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago

    Ok? Its still my phone, my hardware, and now I have to wait 24 hours before I can install wahtever I want on the phone that I goddamn paid for with my own goddamn money.

    Also, let's not pretend as if they not eventually going to go back to their original plan once the initial backlash dies down and people get used to the new norm.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    This is supposed to be a simplified message for tech illiterate people. While it may not be fully accurate, the alternative is something that <= 5% of the population will understand.

    Additionally, as others have pointed out, this is how the change was originally planned. It was only adjusted due to massive backlash. Apparently the current backlash is not enough for Google to adjust it further.

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    [–] 91 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    Really glad I decided to switch to GrapheneOS. My next phone will be a Motorola for sure.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    motorola makes great phone. I remember my 1st Android phone, after years on iOS, was the Moto Z Play. That thing can last a week with light usage, or 3 days with medium usage on a single charge. Also remember those moto mods? Motorola had like speaker mod and even a mini projector that you can just snap on the phone.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    So what do we do when they start making it harder and harder to install graphene?

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    [–] 70 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Stallman was right. Software absolutely needs to be free.

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    [–] 61 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I am so endlessly angry at this, I actually switched banks because my old bank's app didn't work on a degoogled phone.

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    [–] 53 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Please consider donating to PostmarketOS to build up a pure mobile Linux alternative that is completely free of Google's influence. It's the best option we have.

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    [–] 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

    Thats great and all, but completely non-actionable.

    Tell me instead - what exactly should I do?

    (should have mentioned that I already have a pinephone and grapheneOS on a GOOGLE pixel)

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    [–] 30 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Gross they are acting like USA.

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    The fucked up thing with phones is the locked boot loaders. Locked boot loaders should not exist because this seriously restricts the driver and OS development.

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    [–] 25 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    GrapheneOS would be great, if it would just support 1000x the hardware it does now. With the extremely limited hardware it does support it's practically as good as useless for the vast majority of Android users

    I'd switch tomorrow, would if I could

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago

    Most hardware doesn't support the fundamental security requirements of GrapheneOS, so that will never happen.

    Look into things like /e/OS or Nothing Phone on the Android side, and the various Linux options (Jellyfish OS is, I think, the most advanced).

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    [–] 23 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    My latest phone is a Fairphone 6 with e/OS preinstalled, so it came degoogled and easily repairable out of the box. I intend to keep it for at least a decade. I cant imagine a feature I would be willing to upgrade for, so I'll probably keep it longer than that.

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    [–] 21 points 5 months ago* (18 children)

    My tech brothers, how easy is it to install graphene on my pixel 7? Will my banking app (Barclays, UK) still work? Tia

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

    Barclays: This app only runs in the owner profile and secure app spawning may have to be disabled

    https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/

    The installation is super easy - barely an inconvinience. However you need to set up everything on your phone manually - no easy transfer from stock Android afaik.

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    [–] 20 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Hoping that Graphene Motorola partnership ends up making Graphene some really well supported target for bank/finance apps for those that make that a part of their required features for a phone. I can live with Firefox. Many seemingly can't

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    [–] 20 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    GrapheneOS doesn't give a fuck

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    [–] 19 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    it was never your phone to begin with.

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    [–] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)
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    [–] 17 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    That’s not why 99% of people buy an Android phone. They buy it because it’s the only alternative to iPhones, and they start at significantly cheaper prices than iPhones.

    The people that buy Android phones for their “openness” are the extreme minority.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    You aren't wrong. Only minor quibble is that a reason many of us use android is that it's been more open. Apple treats its customers like shit, and locking their hardware and software down like android is about to move even further toward, is all part of that overall contempt apple shows for customers. I would guess that if apple didn't lock their ecosystem so tight, Google may not have planned to make this change. They've probably been talking for years about how they can do it if apple gets away with it. They finally decided it was going to be worth pissing off a segment of users. Fucking assholes.

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    [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    Root n ROM I guess

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I consider myself pretty computer savvy but phones have always pissed me off. I got a Galaxy S22 Ultra because I wanted stylus and high refresh rate, but I consistently regret giving Samsung my business.

    I have the SM-S908U1, what are realistically my best options here? I can't really afford an upgrade right now.

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    [–] 10 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Fuck this. My next device will be a Fairphone with Murena OS.

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