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[–] 353 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Game changer. This is going to save me so much on my monthly radar bills.

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  • [–] 209 points 4 months ago* (55 children)

    Interestingly enough, this project was originally licensed under the MIT license, but Motti was advised that said license does not protect physical hardware, so it changed to the CERN-OHL-PT license. Should you elect to build your own unit, be aware that the frequencies it operates in are almost assuredly highly regulated in your legal jurisdiction.

    Also be aware of anti radiation munitions if you decide to operate one of these in a warzone. Radarmen have very short battlefield lifetimes because turning on a radar without lots of electronic countermeasures (hell even with countermeasures) is basically like turning on a spotlight that says “blow me up”.

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  • [–] 124 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (36 children)

    So, one of the really interesting things to me about this approach is that it offers the same asymmetric value proposition that cheap attack drones do to modern pre-drone IADS.

    That is: this is a platform that costs 10-15k, and an AGM-88 of modern manufacture costs almost 900k, and a Kh-31 costs about 550k - and, just as importantly, both require a long time to manufacture. So, you could theoretically make a moderately large distributed array sprinkled over a few square kilometers, and even if they’re ALL turned on, it quickly becomes logistically infeasible to knock them all out without spending a silly quantity on antirad munitions, as well as massively attriting your stocks of antirad munitions. And if you turn like 10-25% of them on at a time and cycle through your array, the problem becomes even harder for the attacker. And if you have some sort of process or mechanism - like, oh I don’t know, figuring out how to do light aerial transport with cargo drones, or even figuring out how to mount these distributed array nodes on the drones themselves, and some sort of lightweight tether for providing power - the problem becomes a MASSIVE pain in the ass for an adversary (especially that last idea, which introduces z-axis and immediate maneuverability, such that the array could feasibly detect and altogether avoid an incoming antirad munition).

    And that’s the paradigm of modern warfare - not just drones, but also networked and attritable systems that maintain functionality when elements are taken offline

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    adding to this. I imagine that the emitter by itself costs a fraction, so set-up a huge array of these dumb emitters, and a few active systems randomly within that array. You'd essentially create an interdiction zone.

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  • [–] 47 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This is absolutely a thing. I remember reading a story about this, this was years ago, but this guy worked for the air force of some nation in heavy conflict. One of the most used weapons in this war was an anti-radiation missile, it would loiter for some time until it detected an emissions target then lock on and destroy it. Whenever they needed to use radar, they would hotwire a bunch of microwave ovens to work with the door open, then plug them in with like six extension cords plugged together. The missiles would lock right onto those microwave ovens and blow them up. He was joking about how the enemy would boast they destroyed 15 aircraft that week on the ground, when his force only had 10 aircraft to begin with.

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  • [–] 35 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Hmm, considering how cheap these are to make (relatively speaking) could it make a good decoy? Basically set a bunch of these up in random places away from anything important with remote on switches and when missiles start flying power them up one at a time. They're more expensive than the anti-missile drones (those are supposedly about $1000 a piece) but they might be more effective in their own way.

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  • [–] 58 points 4 months ago

    Prices for electronics are exceedingly floaty in these ship-shinking days

    I don't always make typos but when I do I sound like Sean Connery.

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  • [–] 44 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    The fact that Aeris-10 offers a true phased array system and ±45° elevation/azimuth adjustments are seemingly its differentiating factors. Prices for electronics are exceedingly floaty in these ship-shinking days, but a brief estimate pins the bill of materials at $5,000 for the 10N and $7,200 for the 10E.

    So for $21,600 I could attempt the goal of the main characters in Twisters.

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    [–] 43 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Ukraine: "Write that down! WRITE THAT DOWN!"

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  • [–] 37 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    This doesn't have any practical application in Ukraine.

    Ukraine detects FPV drones with numerous distributed and networked microphone/acoustic sensors. You're not going to get any cheaper than a used phone paired with a $2 USB solar panel.

    The larger Shahed/Geran and above stuff isn't limited by radar detection. What they need are cheap interceptors to deal with swarm attacks.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    If you crack the combination of "actually cheap" and "reliable interceptor", the US military industrial complex is going to build you your very own Scrooge vault.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Radars are very much in use in Ukraine. There is a whole range of air targets besides FPV drones, there are ballistic missiles, fighter planes, bomber planes, helicopters, gliding bombs, and ships, all of which require a radar to detect.

    Acoustic sensors have limited range. By the time it detects a missile, it's already flew one kilometer away, and it's too late to grab your AA gun. Gliding bombs are silent.

    Radars have 50+ km range, and allow to shoot bombers and ships from beyond the border with expensive US-provided missiles.

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  • [–] 39 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    This is the real way to hurt a company. Once an open source version exists, even if it is not as good as the commercial offering, they will have trouble convincing people to pay for what they are selling.

    Of course, they should be compensated for their work, but if you can build it yourself then the cost to a company does not need to be much higher than the costs of parts and labor for someone else to do it for you.

    One of the things I want to do is build decent applications and release them for free so people can get the same functionality of their paid apps but not need to pay anything.

    Main thing stopping me is time.

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    [–] 34 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    ITT: A bunch of people who think they know a lot about radar, expect to run their own radar at home, and think they can do it better for cheaper.

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    [–] 25 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    by coupling this with the open source stinger project i saw last month do i suddenly have my own patriot defense system?

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    [–] 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Motii claims that military surplus radars can be had for $10k to $50k,

    What, really? Who is buying military surplus radars?

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    [–] 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Not sure if this is a good idea. As far as I know radars operate on a regulated frequency and you need a permit to use in most countries. There was also some incident a few years ago where the beam of a radar station would clearly show up on the cloud coverage maps of weather stations because they used the same frequency.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Definitely not coming to a battlefield near you any time soon.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    250,000. WTF….

    You can by a Garmin boat Radar for 10-15K that has a 100 mile range…

    What is the point of this mess.

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  • [–] 41 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    This is a phased array radar system, which is significantly different than the mechanical radars used by boats/ships. A phased array system typically supports near real time tracking of multiple targets since the radar signals are controlled through solid state beam steering.

    Mechanical radars like those on boats can only update targets as quickly as the antenna rotates, which can be as slow as 20 RPM for some consumer brands. They are very different beasts. Comparing the two is like comparing a car to a train…

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    [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    Nice, more instructions to send to revolutionaries in Myanmar.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Now do the Internet please.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    So what use would a private citizen or business have for a system like this? I'm not sure who the "commercial offerings" are meant for.

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