Political Discussion and Commentary

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 4 months ago

💵 💰 💴, etc

[–] nothingcorporate@lemmy.today 7 points 4 months ago

Because they don't give a shit about the voters, they want the money hose flowing, and even if they remain a minority party, they can just blame their losses on the people who stop voting for them instead of ever asking WHY people stop voting for them.

[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -7 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

Because its a lose-lose scenario. Either we cut off funding and have no reliable ally in the middle eastern proxy war between the west and the east, which will lead to less diplomacy and more radicalization over time, or we back a radical and hostile regime.

I think a good solution would be to keep defending Israel militarily but start sending their officials to the hague for starting wars and genocides, but since the DNC lack that power now and Biden was super soft on Israel it hasn't happened.

It's also a key issue for foreign interests such as China and Russia who promote it with psyops which illegitimizes the entire opposition movement.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Either we cut off funding and have no reliable ally in the middle eastern proxy war between the west and the east,

This presupposes that such a "war" needs to be fought at all.

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[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Not much of a choice, even in times when Europe and the USA have taken minimal actions they'd face harassment by groups like Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hezbollah, or Houthis.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

even in times when Europe and the USA have taken minimal actions

LOL, when was that? Be specific, now.

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[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

When the USA and Europe turned a blind eye to Saddam Hussein it led to them holding a military expansion campaign throughout the 80s and in 1990 during the Gulf War. In the 1990s the USA had several trade alliances, namely Saudi Arabia, but otherwise minimal involvement in the middle east but then 5 plane hijackings by mostly Saudi Arabian born terrorists hit notable US Infrastructure such as the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Fucked if we do and fucked if we don't, the only way to end the proxy war is if the USA/Europe or Russia/China lose directly and not indirectly.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago*

In the '80s and '90s, the US and Europe were actively arming and supporting their settler-colonial project named "Israel." Ditto for the 2000s through today, as well as going from the '70s all the way back to 1948. Even further back, from 1920 to 1948, the British were administering that colony more directly, under the name "Mandatory Palestine." Immediately before that, Europe was fighting, defeating, and partitioning the Ottoman Empire.

Oh and by the way, Britain was also controlling Egypt at that time, having occupied it during the Anglo-Egyption War starting in 1882 and not giving it up until 1956. And let's not forget about India, either, including the part that would later become Pakistan. Britain's colonial interests there led them to become adversaries with Russia over their spheres of influence in central Asia, including fighting various wars in Persia and Afghanistan in the 1800s.

So yeah, by my reckoning, "Europe and the USA" (but mostly Britain until after WWII) have been fucking with the Middle East CONTINUOUSLY AND WITHOUT EVEN A SINGLE DAY OF PAUSE for 200+ years. And that figure is only because that's as far back as I care to list, not as far back as the colonialism goes!

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

When saddam hussein benefited europe and usa imperialism they was his ally when they no longer neede him they executed him

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[–] recentSlinky@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

"The reliable ally" is the main reason for the lack of other allies in the region, and for the increased radicalization in the area. So your argument doesn't make sense.

It's like the fire department supporting the fire burning a building to keep the building safe. The "radicalization" happens to actual human beings because their lives got destroyed since childhood and they had no chance because of the "military" you want to keep defending. Maybe give the Humans a chance to grew up properly, with access to hospitals, education, and decent living, and then try diplomacy with them first? Not keep destroying every chance then be surprised they're lashing back, and use that as an execuse to keep the pressue on them when that's literally the reason for the issues in the first place.

That's why the rest of the world hates America. Their culture is so self cantered, they don't even see others who aren't like them as humans just like them. So toxic and I'm sick of it.

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[+] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

The USA and Europe has attempted friendly relations and military cooperation with many other nations such as Iraq, Quwait, Afghanistan, and Saudi Arabia. All the listed examples have severely backfired. I think something should be done about Israel, but feeding them to the wolves will not resolve the wolf problem.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child)

They never did. Imperialism supporter

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[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -1 points 4 months ago (1 child)

Both sides of this conflict are imperialism-lite, at least I advocate against militaristic expansion unlike fuckin Tankies.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

You was literally saying the west have to be imperialist because the other wise is imperialism. You are saying the west have to support a settler colonial power because China and Russia are imperialism although China and Russia has decent relation with Israel . At least Tankies are open about support the war of aggression on Ukraine while you are doing apologia for the western imperialism and it's support for a terrorist state called Israel

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[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

Forewarning, you're about to read a very unserious reply mocking both your grammar and your argument.

Yous was sayings thats thes Wests shoulds justs shuts ups ands bes attackeds whiles Russias ands Chineses ands allieds nationses expandses borderses?

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

You excuse Western support for settler colonialism…

You're the one justifying imperialism, not me. I never said that China and Russia should be allowed to expand. You love to ignore the good relations that China, Russia, and Israel maintain. You're as bad as tanki, if not worse.

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[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child)

No, you're not, you're making excuses for the East's support of settler colonialism.

There is no future where the USA and Europe completely withdraws from the middle east which does not include massive expansion of eastern operations in the region including psyops, invasions, wars, etc and only ending when one autocracy stands above all others.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

I support Ukraine's right to defend itself against Russia, I support Taiwan's right to defend itself against China. The only one who supports settler colonialism is you. Israel maintains good relations with China and Russia, and yet you continue to defend Western support for a colonial power that wants to exterminate Palestinians from their land.

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[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 0 points 4 months ago (1 child)

I guess you're not a Tankie and just a shortsighted fool. IDK how you ever had me pegged for a Zionist at all, I've been extremely consistent about sending genocide advocates and warmongers to the Hague for their crimes.

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[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago*

You a zionazi justifying the imperialist west supporting of a settler colonial power genociding and trying to exterminate Palestinians from their land . You are literally a warmonger. Fuck you and your whole family .