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[–] 81 points 5 months ago* (31 children)

Everyone is reporting on these ships making it through the strait which is still under Iranian control. Few seem to mention the part in the Gulf of Oman where the US is actually implementing its blockade. The poster child, Rich Starry, mentioned in the article, did this a few hours after clearing the strait, still far from the Arabian Sea:

Marine tracker timelapse showing RICH STARRY travelling southeast out of the Strait of Hormuz, halting and showing stale data for around 3.5 hours, and then returning back the way it came at speed.

That sure doesn't look like a ship breaching a blockade without incident.

It's too early to say how this will play out on a larger scale but for these specific ships a lot of reporting is really fucking misleading at the moment.

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  • [+] 7 points 5 months ago (30 children)
  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    I don't know where you're getting any of that from. It was travelling at 8 knots before and after the turnaround. The bit in the animation where it slows and drifts almost due south is actually marinetraffic not having AIS data for that period so it just interpolates between the two known positions. Maybe I should have made that clearer.

    That turnaround period is also close to 3.5 (edit: 2.5) hours, not 30 minutes.

    According to the same data the ship is now close to the Strait of Hormuz that it passed through yesterday; it seems pretty clear it did not get where it wanted to go.

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  • [+] -5 points 5 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    The gif shows no data (dimmed icon) from 08:49 UTC to 11:10 UTC so I had my maths wrong and it's 2 hours 21 minutes, apologies. Still a lot more than 30 minutes. The AIS data also generally comes in less frequently than every minute so there's some unreliability there.

    As I said, according to the current data the ship definitely kept going back up towards the Strait since I posted, so what's more likely, it kept going on its current course and spoofed its AIS for nearly 12 hours, or that it turned around?

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  • [+] -33 points 5 months ago (26 children)

    The fact that you are measuring speed in knots per hour invalidates your point.

    Please use a correct measurement, and try again.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (18 children)

    ...that...that is the correct measurement

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  • [–] 28 points 5 months ago (12 children)

    I think per hour is already a part of the definition of knot (hence 50 knots not per hour). I think they are just being pedantic.

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  • [+] -10 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    I'm being accurate. "Knots" is "nautical miles per hour," as you correctly described.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    All you're doing is being a grammar nazi to someone who at most said the equivalent of "$30 million dollars", which is technically, thanks to the dollar sign, "thirty million dollars dollars".

    You knew what they meant. I knew what they meant. Everyone knew what they meant. There was absolutely zero ambiguity, so you just come off looking like a prick.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Being a prick is not a reason to be proud.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Possibly not.

    But "We know what he meant" when someone demonstrates that they don't know what they are talking about has proven to be dangerous.

    I wouldn't hire a mechanic who thought cats traveled at miles per MPH. Why should I listen to someone talk about boats who thinks "knots per hour" is a speed?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    If we are being really pedantic. Knots is a measure of distance, and the fact that people have been using that wrong for several centuries does not turn a rope tied at one point into a time-changing object.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    fact that people have been using that

    The way language works is that people use things and they become correct.

    There's things I hate, too, like "yea" now being a spelling for "yeah". But it's useless to fight it.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    I think there point is that knots is not a measurement of distance over time so you can't technically travel in knots per hour.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Ostensibly knots per hour would be acceleration, which makes little sense in context

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    And knots per hour per hour would be a measure of ever-increasing acceleration, so this is getting out of hand quickly now :)

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    So you think a ship that was moving at maybe 5 knots instantly turned around and in less than 30 minutes accelerated past 50 knots?

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  • [–] -2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    I find that reasonably unlikely, unless it is a naval ship. I don't think cargo ships go that fast unless empty, and highly motivated. Possibly not even then.

    Do we have a reliable source for this data?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Most naval vessels can do just over 30, if that. Cargo vessels spend most of their life below 10.

    50 knots means there's some fuckery afoot.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Sure, but the gif doesn't show 50 knots. The gif doesn't show any speed actually, so I really don't know where the 50 number comes from. But on the tracker the speed was 8.1 knots. Fast for a tanker, but totally believable.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I was under the impression that navy ships could go much faster, but didn't because of wear and fuel consumption. I recall hearing about 60 knots, but I wouldn't place even a small bet on it.

    Same for cargo ships, to a lesser extent. If an empty one felt a need to move, I'm sure they could get a little speed to them. But they aren't built for it, and "saving money on fuel" is their prime directive.

    Although, as someone noted elsewhere, there don't seem to be any actual measurements of speed. They turned around, and cranked the throttle, but we don't know how far they were going in either phase.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    I've read claims that some nuclear aircraft carriers can go a lot faster than 30, but I suspect that's bullshit.

    There's also a phenomenon known as hull speed, where a displacement hull vessel takes an exponential amount of power to go slightly faster once you hit it. They're also not going to have an engine that's massively more powerful than they need, just in case.

    50 knots would outrun pretty much any large vessel on the planet.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 months ago

    This is beyond funny, tbh.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago

    How does anyone even believe anything that comes out of Trumps mouth anymore?

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder if it's one of those cases of military refusing to follow illegal orders.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Look what Iran can do that Trump can't! Actually, so far everything is Iran doing things Trump can't, like win a war or stop a boat.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    “Stop. Don’t. Come back.”

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