Hi. I just got a new phone (Motorola) and spent a bunch of time manually removing access to location etc. I hate Google so much, "don't do evil" my ass. I'm just looking for my blindspots. Im not in tech so, what should be disabled to keep my phone private?

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[–] 42 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (13 children)

Here's what I've done:

  • Delete your advertising ID in the system settings
  • Disable the other ad-related settings
  • Disable tracking in the keyboard app (long-press , to get to settings, then click "Privacy") or switch to HeliBoard
  • Avoid the Google Play store when possible
  • Use F-Droid and Obtainium instead
  • Install the DuckDuckGo browser and enable DuckDuckGo App Tracking Protection (I only use the DDG app for app tracking protection and email protection; I don't browse the web with it)
  • Install Firefox with uBlock Origin
  • Set DuckDuckGo as your search engine in Firefox
  • Make sure your next phone supports GrapheneOS and install that instead of normal Android
  • Wait for real Linux phones to become viable and use that in a couple years

Stuff I haven't done yet but probably will eventually:

  • Replace the default home screen app (your home screen is an app, btw)
  • Replace the Google keyboard app

I haven't looked for good alternatives for these yet so if anyone has suggestions, I'm listening!

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Kvaesitso and Lawnchair are launchers that get recommended a lot. I prefer LaunchTime. Unexpected Keyboard is my favorite, minimalist but great. All of these are on F-Droid,

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    The launcher is just an app, but the way it's set up ensures that different launcher apps cannot offer the same experience as the stock one.

    Rabbit hole I dove into trying to figure out why my back to homepage didn't feel snappy (like the swipe up animation goes and only after it's done the icons load). Turns out that's pretty much intentional and the solution is rooting your phone.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I dont think we are ever going to see a third consumer level production phone with an alternative Linux based OS. There aren’t enough people out there in the main stream to make a product like this truly viable. Maybe Fairphone or a equivalent. But that’s a tall maybe. Definitely not a flagship level phone.

    What’s more realistic is seeing graphine gain availability on more devices.

    This is the one place I haven’t taken the plunge. My experience with Linux desktops over the years leaves me a little concerned being stuck without making calls in an emergency situation. I’m also using MVNOs and I worry they won’t be compatible with a different OS.

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    • Wait for real Linux phones to become viable and use that in a couple years

    God, as a GOS user I want this so bad. I know I can buy used, but having that G on the back of my phone feels dirty. I refuse to go back to Apple, Samsung sucks ass, and I don't want Chinese phones, so I'm stuck here. But I want to be free.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Wait for real Linux phones to become viable and use that in a couple years

    Is anyone actually working on that?

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The only way to remove Google tracking is to install a third party firmware like GrapheneOS.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    Depending on the model you could try flashing a different flavor of android like LineageOS, it's easy it just looks hard for the amount of steps tho

    If you do i recommend downloading f-droid, inside the app you could download Aurora Store that let you access play store without account :)

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  • [+] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
    [–] 5 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    if you dont want to fuck around with custom roms, but you want to get rid of the bloat. look around closely in each apps description, cause deleting everyting can easily break moto gestures https://github.com/Universal-Debloater-Alliance/universal-android-debloater-next-generation

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Alternatively, if you want to do the same thing without a USB, try Shizuku and Canta from Fdroid. Shizuku allows mods over WiFi and Canta does almost the same thing as the tool linked above, but it doesn't seem to have apk descriptions like the desktop debloater tool. It's just a way to do something similar on your phone. However, iirc the debloater allows more options like saving which apks you deleted or disabled or some such.

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    [–] 3 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Buy a Pixel, install GrapheneOS. Or look into Lineage OS supported hardware.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    LineageOS is far behind GrapheneOS in terms of privacy and security.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Yes, but it supports a wide range of devices, has no telemetry and is available sans gapps so is a considerable improvement over stock.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Well, they still usually use test keys and don't support AVB yellow (which doesn't concern me because my phone is old enough it doesn't support AVB anyway).

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, which is why I've moved on from LineageOS on Poco 4 to GrapheneOS on Pixel 7a and Pixel tablet. Should GOS become nonviable then we would have to regress to LineageOS or Linux.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Wow, some people can afford phones. I can't just buy a phone for 400€. I have a 2017 Redmi 4x i got for free from my dad. Hopefully my next phone will be a device with GOS.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    If you're just getting started, e/OS is a great option for privacy for non-Pixel phones.

    You can check compatibility here: https://doc.e.foundation/devices

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It is not. It is better than bloated Google Android but not "great".

    • They use tracking ids for updates
    • They are far behind with updates lowering security and thus risking privacy
    • They use testing keys which is ridicolous
    • They added OpenAI integration and called it "Murena Voice to Text" so that unfiliar users could unintentially leak sensitive data
    • They ignore valid critique and call it 'personal harassment' although nothing personal nor something like harassment happen there (for example in related /e/OS threads)
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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago*

    Also, consider a threat model to prevent "privacy fatigue". Sometimes people implement countermeasures without realizing it doesn't help them. At least define your privacy concerns and only implement what addresses those.

    It sounds ridiculous, but I made this rookie mistake for a year and it was exhausting. Privacy is tough sometimes, but you don't need everything. I just want to look at cat pictures without google selling my info and using profits to undermine government. Some folks will be executed if they are found dissenting against gov on the Internet. Those are vastly different issues with different countermeasures. Good luck!

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    A fantastic quick bang for buck is to download NextDNS. You can use premade domain filters so you don't need to keep adding as much to your deny list. They have a "no Google" filter that automatically gets much of that crap, a "No Facebook" to block all those domains and more. It's not hard to use and doesn't take long to figure out. Just set it up by putting a DNS link in your phone and start checking logs. You're going to be so pissed when you see them.

    If those logs don't motivate you, I don't know what will.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Here are alt OSs for phones. The last rows on the big table show "supported devices" and there are a few for Motorola. Some might only work with certain models. That is most likely the case. Do not do this if you can't tolerate a bricked phone unless you're confident. I just say that as warning because I truly don't know how hard it is yet.

    https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

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