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[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago

Guys no one ever says “don’t even ASK!”. It’s just that if you do ask, and the person does not have the energy or the capacity of explaining at that moment for any reason, don’t push and don’t get angry. Being oppressed is tiring, and having to explain yourself all the time is even more tiring. That’s all. If you are genuinely curious, you will find resources to learn and even people willing to teach. Just don’t expect EVERYONE to be that person.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 7 points 1 day ago

Well said :)

[-] baronofclubs@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Playing devil's advocate: Shouldn't those who are not in a marginalized group be somewhat expected to have a modicum of understanding for those around them, though? No one should be expected to explain how, or why, they are who they are, and being pointedly asked about it generally puts a contentious focus on that aspect. Many, many people have put their energy and effort to explain all sorts of aspects about themselves, which are readily available at a moments notice. Why not rely on those instead of bringing up a potentially vulnerable topic and/or using a single aspect of one's identity as a talking point?

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

Well yeah that’s what I meant. Learning is necessary, teaching is voluntary.

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

Every time I see stuff like this I instantly think of:

Like, congrats, it's nice to pat yourself on the back and all but...

[-] stray@pawb.social 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think it enforces itself by being off-putting to bigots. How many of them are playing it "incorrectly" to own the libs rather than just playing something they perceive as less hostile?

[-] Atlas48@ttrpg.network 8 points 2 days ago

none, because the title and cover art alone would put them off.

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[-] polotype@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago

Is asking okay though ?

[-] KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

Ask politely, show a genuine interest, and don't try to undermine what they say. Also read the room if it's going into a topic that someone doesn't feel comfortable talking about and be ready to learn another day!

[-] polotype@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Thanks for the honest answer !

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 14 points 2 days ago

Yeah but it would be good to educate yourself on your own steam as well

[-] Gonzako@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

They lost me at the last point tbh. I don't blame anyone for not knowing and you shouldn't blame me for not learning about something that hasn't affected me.

[-] shaggyb@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

It's your responsibility to learn, not their responsibility to teach.

[-] Fjdybank@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's not their responsibility to teach but it's also not my responsibility to keep abreast of all social developments. It's inappropriate to gatekeep due to someone's naive ignorance.

Picture this. Sitting at a table game and someone drops a term or phrase that I don't recognise. Am I going to run to the toilet and google that term? Or am I just gonna say 'yo, what's that mean?"

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[-] Atlas48@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 day ago

[-] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

The meme is making the effort required to be educated or a fascist equivalent when they are not.

Being a fascist is intellectually easy.

Got a problem? Blame migrants Can’t get ahead? Blame Jews Can’t afford a house? Black people got too uppity

It’s a one trick pony, all problems are caused by someone else and I’m perfect.

Understanding the systemic reasons why women still aren’t paid the same as men or why a disproportionate amount of African Americans are incarcerated is hard and requires a lot of foundational groundwork to overcome the huge capitalist propaganda machine.

[-] Atlas48@ttrpg.network 1 points 18 hours ago

you're kind of saying that this school of thought isn't for everyone?

when, really, everyone would benefit from it.

[-] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago

Not really, it’s a nice sentiment to be encouraging and educate people who are not familiar with leftist politics but that belies the truth that it does take effort on both sides (teacher and learner) to become educated about why they benefit everyone.

I think everyone could learn this school of thought but it is a lot harder than being a fascist propagandist.

[-] shaggyb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

We're talking about a fucking game, not an undergraduate ethics class.

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[-] King_Bob_IV@startrek.website 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I believe what they are referring to is that it's not any individuals responsibility to ensure that any other individuals knowledge of their marginalization is complete. That's not saying that individuals can't do it, nor that they shouldn't call attention to specific issues as effect them at that time. It's saying that they are not responsible to do the work of teaching someone that which they should learn themselves once the issue has been raised. To do otherwise often feels like the person has to justify their existence and struggles to anyone who asks. That's an unreasonable load for the marginalized person to carry.

So not blame, just where the burthen of learning falls once an issue comes up.

[-] Gonzako@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I wholly don't understand it. If one brings up an issue it kind of is up to the person to explain why it is an issue, no? I'd just tell ya I'm part of a marginalised group? Like, I'm the US version of "white", rich enough to afford a vacation a year and a house, cishet. My marginalization is not brought up on those bullet points so you'd have to go digging down my comments to find it. Like, how often do these issues get brought up?

Like, the person exists allright if they're in front of me but if they have an active problem they do have to make a case among the group, as otherwise it seems very easily weaponized.

As for the reason I'm a marginalised group, I got falsely accused of raping someone and that wholly destroyed my social life. I hope you have an understanding of why I'm very weary of these kind of systems.

[-] King_Bob_IV@startrek.website 8 points 1 day ago

What this is talking about would be if I were to now ask you questions about your marginalization and demanded answers. But since that is not relevant to our discussion here and because it's not your job to ensure that I am informed on any issues relating to your marginalization I wouldn't ask the questions in the first place. You shouldn't have to feel like you have to justify your existence to anybody who possess by and is curious.

People sometimes treat visible members of marginalized groups like they are information dispensers. That just because they are viable they are responsible for entertaining their curiousity. In specific instances where it's relevant and invited a discussion of their marginalization is fine. But it's is not the job of someone to ensure any person interested is told about whatever they want to ask.

[-] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 12 points 3 days ago

This one seems a little more obvious.

[-] simple@piefed.social 42 points 3 days ago

the bigots wanting to play "thirsty sword lesbians" are going to be so upset when they read this

[-] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 days ago

You have no idea! They are absolutely seething at being called out like this, even though the game is basically “Conservatives stay away, the RPG”. I’ve ended up in quite a few Reddit slapfights over it.

As far as I can tell, what drives them nuts is the “fascists and bigots” bit. Basically they apparently self-identify as bigots and fascists, but deeply resent anyone else doing so.

[-] rudyharrelson@lemmy.radio 18 points 2 days ago

even though the game is basically “Conservatives stay away, the RPG”. I’ve ended up in quite a few Reddit slapfights over it.

This seems frustratingly common. Like fascists who love Rage Against the Machine because they're functionally illiterate and fail to realize the music is antithetical to their worldview.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 12 points 2 days ago

You'd be surprised at how many people were up in arms about it.

[-] DmMacniel@feddit.org 10 points 2 days ago

If they could read.

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[-] presoak@lazysoci.al 0 points 1 day ago

You are a little too comfortable telling people how to talk. I'm seeing that a lot these days.

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago

When we tell people not to murder, we are telling them how to act. When we tell people not to be racist, we are telling people how to talk. Telling people not to do things is a normal thing to do. The content of what is being told is the important part.

Is there a particular part of the op that you find friction with?

[-] MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network 8 points 2 days ago

These are about as useful as a Tumblr DNI.

[-] Gonzako@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

DNI in Spanish stands for Documento Nacional de Identidad so everytime i saw these I always have to take a double step, what are ya asking ID for?

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

Well, everyone is about to start asking for an ID on the web, it seems, so you might be about right soon

[-] stray@pawb.social 1 points 2 days ago

In retail it means "do not inventory" as in "don't count this as part of the store's inventory".

[-] apotheotic@beehaw.org 18 points 2 days ago

It hurt the feelings of a bunch of bigots online when the sourcebook came out so I'd say it did some good work

[-] growsomethinggood@reddthat.com 16 points 2 days ago

The goal isn't to actually prevent those people from playing the game, obviously that's not possible. The goal is to piss them off so it's obvious to the other people they would be playing with that they are not fun or maybe safe to be around.

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