Swapping SIM cards used to be easy, and then came eSIM.

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[–] 39 points 9 months ago (10 children)

I have 5 esims and swap betwen them offten, click and done. SIMs are a pita.

Seems to be migration to phones every other week for reviews is an issie but not one most people are going to have ? I've had the same phone for years now

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago

    I think the nightmare starts when your phone stops working completely, I experienced this without eSim and it was already complicated for a switch, I guess eSim adds some problems, but overall I think it still makes things easier, especially when you travel and the roaming fees are too expensive

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  • [+] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I've been using Google Fi for the last few Pixel phones I've been on. Each time I've switched, during setup I just get asked if I'd like to activate the phone (with a warning that my old one will be deactivated) and I click yes. It's then active before I can even complete the phone's OOBE setup.

    Android also does apparently have a "copy to another device" function mentioned here, but they hint to what you said regarding carrier limitations applying. Though Apple's quick eSIM transfer has a similar note as well.

    Definitely seems like a "When it all lines up, it can be convenient, but when it doesn't you're fucked" situation.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    What are your use cases for all those SIMs?

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Three uses I could see:

    • Personal
    • Work (if no work phone)
    • Travel (providers like Saily allow you to take a temporary sim for a country you're visiting, basically what used to be the people selling sims at the airport. eSIM makes it less shady and basically one-click) [maybe multiple of these if they travel often because different providers are better in certain regions]
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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

    I personally like eSIM. I have an app by my phone provider where I can just create or move a eSIM in minutes.

    And additionally, I can just create a new eSIM with a new number in just about the same time. When my wife got a new phone, I just created a new eSIM for her old phone. This way, she could use them both for a week or two.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    So you're now fully bound to your ISP, their proprietary shit app, and their servers providing you a new SIM instead of just swapping a physical piece of hardware in seconds. Getting new SIMs in an ideal condition is the only advantage.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    So you're now fully bound to your ISP

    Do you think you can only use an eSIM on a locked phone? Physical SIM or not, a carrier locked phone is a locked phone. You can use eSIMs on unlocked phones just fine

    their proprietary shit app, and their servers providing you a new SIM instead of just swapping a physical piece of hardware in seconds

    The difference is you don't have to physically go someplace to get a card or have one shipped to you. You just need the Internet and an app.

    You're complaining about semantics with no real difference, just convenience 99% of the time.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    You're right, i need to use this specific app to change my eSIM. But I'm not bound in any way that I can't change providers. In fact, eSIM makes switching to another provider even simpler.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I wouldn't be so dramatic. Transferring an eSIM is only a few clicks, there is no need for searching the little thingie to open SIM compartment, no searching for the right hole to stick it into, no fear of losing the tiny SIM card during the process. I would say the transfer process is pretty hard, mainly for older people or people with bigger fingers. On the other hand, you still need the operator and his servers and proprietary code for the SIM to be useful (unless you are building your own network).

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Unless your carrier requires you to go down to their physical store and pay a fee to move your eSIM to another device.

    https://support.simba.sg/hc/en-us/articles/17453381569817-Can-I-switch-my-eSIM-profile-to-another-device

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    You're complaining about a carrier policy, not eSIMs in general. Most carriers don't have that requirement.

    In fact I never even heard of that before, and I'm an American where that's exactly the type of nickel and dime bullshit they'd do.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Have you had to recover from a failed device yet? Managing the SIM with the app will work great as long as the app is in fact working, but it's not obvious how you would go about connecting a new device when the old device is not available.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    I did not do it yet myself, but I would just install the app on the new device, and register it again - exactly the way I did it the first time. Anytime a new eSIM is created, the old profile will revoked. At least, thats what the FAQ says.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    It depends on what you change more often.

    If you change your provider more often, than eSIMs are fine. You don't have to wait for anything in the mail, or go to a store.

    If you (me) keep your provider for a couple decades, a physical SIM card can be moved to any new phone at any time, without even needing to talk to your provider. Never mind asking them to approve your new niche little phone they've never heard of, and don't know will work (it will)

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Out of curiosity, what sort of reasons do people have to switch out their SIM? I haven't done that in a long time myself, but I might not be the typical user.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    If you are a phone reviewer, you would have to swap it frequently. For the average person, maybe if they have two devices, one each for work and personal, with just a single line. Not very common tho.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    For the average person, maybe if they have two devices, one each for work and personal, with just a single line. Not very common tho.

    I've never heard of anybody doing that, and I work in an industry where separate work phones are extremely common. 99% of them are company-supplied.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I do that exact thing. My shop doesn't supply a phone, just a small stipend (like $30) and they lock they ever loving shit out of any phone you use that for. We can't have cameras for example, and require specific mobile apps.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Only $30? Jesus... I'd just use that stipend to fund a basic prepaid plan on an equally basic device. If they're gonna cheap out on the stipend, then I see no issue getting the cheapest device. Calls and texts only, and only available when you're on the clock.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I did use it for a very basic device, that'd be the one I swap my card out of. I happen to like having plenty of mobile data, as it lets me move around the city easily enough when on-call.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I switch mine out fairly often. I can't use a phone with a camera at work, so i just swap it out for my normal phone on Friday. Alternatively I'd either need 2 lines, 2 providers, or whatever. Instead i just toss the work phone in the drawer and use the phone i had from before.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    I used an eSIM a few years ago, but it always felt iffy and reminded me too much of Verizon's old CDMA networks where the phones had no SIMs and were permanently tied to the carrier no matter what. Then my phone (Pixel 7 Pro) decided to take a shit, leaving me with no phone number for several days while I waited for the replacement SIM (because the backup device I had was not compatible with eSIM).

    eSIMs have their place for secondary lines, like a different carrier for certain low-service situations that pop up here and there in my area, but otherwise I now only run a physical SIM for my main line.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Swapping sims is easier now. You scan a QR code, wait 30 minutes, restart phone and you're good to go. No need to wait for a sim card to be mailed to you. No need to purchase a sim card in the local store.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    But if I am trying to debug some mobile connection related thing I can't be waiting 30 minutes to swap it back and forth every time. Then I won't be able to solve the problem in a timely fashion.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    That isn’t the normal use of a smartphone. For the average person who rarely changes network and doesn’t debug connectivity issues eSIM is the better option.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Well, yes, under normal circumstances things work properly and do not need to be debugged. But generally eventually any system encounters abnormal circumstances, and one does not want the correct answer to be "give up on that system forever and go home".

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I moved to eSIM a few years ago and I had to switch back to physical.

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