Background

I have been quite fascinated by Europe's continental suicide in the face of the failure of Project Ukraine and the fracturing of the "transatlantic understanding".

I think Europe still has time to choose strategic autonomy:

  • Rapprochement with Russia to restore their energy competitiveness.
  • Rapprochement with China to restore their global trade and industrial competitiveness.
  • Seek out global markets to blunt the Trump tariffs.
  • Pressure Ukraine to hasten their inevitable capitulation before they loose EVEN MORE LAND AND SOLDIERS.

Of course as we all know, the Western media has the complete opposite narrative, a jumble something like "Russia has lost 10 bajillion soldiers and they don't actually have military equipment at all and also advancing on the battlefield counts as losing if it wasn't as fast as we ourselves predicted it would be."

Content for the tribunal:

Mod actions: removed comments, banned from community
Responsible mod: Unknown to me
Link to First Comment (now removed)
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  1. This war started in 2008 at the Bucharest NATO summit, when the US announced its intention to expand NATO into Ukraine and Georgia. EVEN EUROPEAN LEADERS like Merkel and Sarkozy noted AT THE TIME that the Russians would view NATO expansion into these countries as tantamount to a declaration of war. Over the next 14 years the West did a "color revolution", the Banderites did an ethnic cleansing campaign in the Donbass, and the West sabotaged and undermined THREE DIFFERENT PEACE AGREEMENTS before the Russians' famous patience finally expired in 2022.
  2. Ukraine doesn't need money to win the war, it needs TRAINED INFANTRY and to a lesser extent weapons. MOREOVER, anyone who thinks this money will last Ukraine even a whole year is delusional. The annual BASELINE burn rate of the Ukraine regime is 150B+ annually, and tax receipts are essentially nonexistent.
  3. They must be REALLY DESPERATE to risk the CREDIBILITY OF THE ENTIRE EUROPEAN FINANCIAL SYSTEM on this foolish gambit. They are breaking the very "Laws of Capital" that the West itself wrote. The Europeans seem determined to beat the Americans in a race to economic decline and collapse.

Tell me again about the "moral case" for stealing sovereign assets to prop up a stunningly corrupt regime in terminal collapse?

Looking forward to the tortured logic justifying my ban.

My Commentary

I know enough to know that they really don't like contrary narratives about Russia/Ukraine in any of the Euro-comms so I wrote my comments very carefully.

Can you, the esteemed commenters of YPTB, spot the misinformation or rage bait? Perhaps I am just blind to it in my own content. If present, did I "ragebait first" or did the other commenter?

Reminder that "Russia says this, therefore it is misinformation" is not a cogent argument or evidence.

this is a screenshot of modlog entries for my user, showing my bans and comment removals from some of the European communities

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[–] [M] 27 points 8 months ago (9 children)

Reminder to keep the comments on the mod actions. Don't start debating the war in Ukraine in here

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    [–] 22 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    You deserved it propagandist for tyranny.

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    [–] 14 points 8 months ago (27 children)

    Misinformation easily highlighted with your comment on when the war started. That's ragebait and just false.

    #2 how do you buy things without money? Pay wages? You need money money #3 they aren't desperate, they are financially punishing a warmongering fascist colonizer.

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    [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (10 children)

    When your country will be attacked by russia which part would you give them, before your country loose even more land and soldiers?

    This should be posted in !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works or !tankiejerk@piefed.social instead, it would fit better.

    Edit: Just to have a word about the mod action: YDI You clearly wrote only what kremlin says, not an "independent take" or something, and you posted this deliberately to a community heavily supporting the other side. It's at least ragebait.

    And bragging about it's your first post with a 3 years old account, is also bending the truth. You use lemmy, you should know the rules. You frame it like you are a newcomer..

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Fuck meanwhileongrad . While it expose pro russian and pro china people. The mod is a zionist

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    MoG is filled with people who are more anti-left than trying to stop the fascists who actually have power, ran by a racist pos who hates the victims of Gaza. And tried to post gore porn on Lemmy before the admins said no.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Meanwhileongrad is some highschool level clique trolling led by one of the most immature mods on Lemmy. Don't even need a turbolibjerk community, they already parceled themselves up nicely.

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    [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Feddit org is administered by german zionists. Nothing good can come from there.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Enters Euro-centric space.

    Spreads Russian propaganda.

    Gets instaban.

    Whines and plays victim.

    God, you .ml folks are special. Like, "i hope you wear a helmet to the bathroom" special.

    YDI.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    Is European space

    Continental suicide from political capture, propaganda, and an inability to adapt

    Bans anyone who speaks against it

    Ok euros, be free to destroy yourselves 👍

    P.S.: Feel free to point out the obvious factual errors in my comments that I am sure you have identified and are just itching to share with the class

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    TBH the actual problem here is the belief in "europe" and it's ability to "commit suicide".

    For me these are wacky white supremacist talking points.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I don't have a dog in that fight. Some people care a lot about ethnic makeup and assimilation but that's not what I'm talking about at all.

    I'm talking about the European institutions that they built up for themselves over decades literally self-destructing and taking down other parts of other institutions with them.

    For instance, despite the evident failure of the 20 sanctions packages to cripple Russia's economy, the people who were hurt the most were the Europeans themselves. They now pay some of the highest energy prices in the world, when previously they had some of the lowest when they had access to cheap pipeline oil and natural gas from Russia. This is destroying their industrial competitiveness. As a stark example, Volkswagen has stopped production at their main plant for the first time ever.

    As another example: Despite how absolutely essential trust is when building and maintaining a reserve currency, the Europeans are mortgaging decades of credibility by trying to seize the Russian assets. If they ever do do this, we can predict with extreme confidence a nosedive in the forex value of the euro and a corresponding and consequent spike in the yields on all their sovereign debt. Even the willingness to consider and debate such a step has probably already damaged their credibility beyond repair with foreign investors

    Many other examples available if you're still unconvinced.

    That's what I mean by Continental Suicide. The much lauded European Project is eating its own tail, and because it is so awash and propaganda, almost everyone is blind to it

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    [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    You went against the popular narrative, but everything you said has some backing. Mod was an asshole.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    YSHSIC: You Should Have Seen It Coming

    OOP is one of these accounts: 3½ years of anti-China & anti-Russia news posts by several similar Lemmy accounts

    Communities like !europe@feddit.org, which host these spammers, are likely to be modded by Western turbolibs who think history began on Feb. 24, 2022.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That's PTB from the feddit.org admins exactly in the vein of .ml style of calling "misinformation" everything that contradicts their favorite narrative tropes

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