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[–] 108 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Meanwhile, Monty Python’s Life of Brian literally had a male character who identifies as female and everybody in the movie is cool with it

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  • [–] 75 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    And John Cleese is now a transphobe. Go figure. (Other members are cool from what I've heard)

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Terry Gilliam is also a transphobe.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Damnit, what did they do? They're my favorite director :(

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    He's basically just railed against cancel culture and what he sees as forced diversity in media. In the Chappelle vein, where they've convinced themselves they're not transphobic, just against "censorship".

    Now, to be fair, Gilliam was always the most defiant, aggressively anti-establishment guy of a group who are all pretty anti-establishment. He's very much made a career off of being transgressive and pushing back on those that tell him no. So this isn't exactly unusual for him. "Cancel culture", to a 70 year old man who made a name for himself by being anti-censorship at a time when you could barely curse on television, would certainly feel like a familiar type of "authority" that they've spent their whole careers defying.

    That's not an excuse, but it's also why I stopped expecting better from the legacy entertainers of that time who are all pushing 80. They've progressed about as much as they're going to in their lifetime. Just take away the microphone before they hurt themselves (or anyone else) because you're not going to change them.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    There's also the lumberjack song...

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    You can make the argument the joke there isn't so much that being trans is weird or wrong, it's in the juxtaposition between where it starts and where it ends up. The singer starts with a very masculine stereotype and shifts drastically into a feminine one to the point it confuses other masc stereotypes who reject him. The singer didn't read the room and went way off the rails.

    Not the best justification, I know, but it doesn't feel especially hostile towards trans, just using it as an irresponsible punchline in a joke about traditional masculinity vs feminity, which was typical of the time.

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    [+] 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (21 children)
  • [–] [S] 15 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    I love South Park, but damn, the Mr Garrison trans episodes are just, ahhhhhhhhhggggggggggg.

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  • [+] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)
  • [–] [S] 19 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I'm neurodivergent, and I laugh in many instances South Park made fun of neudivergent and mentally disabled people. I'm Latin American, South Park made fun of latin americans so many times. I'm progressive, South Park made fun of progressives so many times. I'm atheist, same thing. I'm bisexual, same thing, I could go on.

    The problem with the Mr Garrison episodes is that, they are so viscerally transphobic, it is very obviously made in such bad faith.

    Of course they are not the worse thing depicted in South Park, but yeah, a show with the objective to be as offensive as possible gotta hit somewhere in a very personal point eventually.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I don't think anyone should take Mr. Garrison's arc to heart. They did kinda point out in an earlier episode that Mr. Garrison isn't what he thinks he is. He's not gay, trans or anything else in that direction.

    He's messed up. And that's all he is and all he's supposed to be. At least that's my take-away from the show.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sadly, that's not enough, just as Jaws did damage to shark conservation and The Silence of the Lambs did damage to Trans acceptance, even though it's super clear Buffalo Bill is not conventionally trans but his own special kind of crazy.

    Then again, our love for police procedurals and serial killer mysteries does damage to mental health awareness and police brutality awareness. Also judicial overreach. (Lots of false convictions.)

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Matt and Trey are the sort of shitpost wizards who'd be the coolest guys on some dead forum if they didn't happen to work for Paramount. They were doing the same transgressive edgelord nonsense fueling the best worst Flash animations on Newgrounds. They just did it on television.

    It's important to recognize how things catch on when people are told "no." Busybodies insist video games are for children, so you get shocking excessive gore like Mortal Kombat. American distributors insist cartoons are for children, so you get a Christmas musical about a turd. Parents hound their kids about dial-up porn, so you get Rule 34. Suppress something widely-desired, and hey guess what, it doesn't just go away. Those kids grow up and do whatever they want.

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

    It bothers me less depending on how old the episode is, and the overall tone of the joke. Older “let’s put this guy in a dress for cheap laughs” type stuff is lame, but not as bad as more recent attempts to make hatred more palatable by disguising it with a thin veneer of “humor”.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    One of the most egregious examples I can think of from recent media was from Kimmy Schmidt where the people that take issue with trans/enbyphobia were turned into the butt of a joke because.... they're annoying I guess?

    Came out of left field in a show I thought was queer friendly but I realized later on that it tracks with the brand of feminism that Tina Fey follows. (I never watched 30 Rock and don't intend to so I had no idea she was already problematic)

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    No, that old stuff is just as bad. Go watch the end of Ace Ventura: Pet Detective. It was just simpler then because the writers considered that type of hate to be ubiquitous instead of needing nuance or explanation.

    It's like saying older racism wasn't as bad as the more recent attempts to galvanize people into nazis. But I contend it was for the same reason above. You're seeing recent attempts at both towards being more palatable specifically because it's not as accepted now.

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    [–] 43 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Meanwhile Denise Bryson is on Twin Peaks being totally cool and never the butt of a joke

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I wanna say King of the Hill is safe.

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago (29 children)

    Issues like this make me wonder: what’s acceptable to joke about now that future generations will find shameful? Any suggestions, folks?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I'm going to hope it's about wanting to kill ourselves all the time, because if it becomes taboo I hope it's because we have actually managed to make life better and thus suicide rates drop, but I honestly don't know if we will get any better tbh

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    “There are no taboos against taking one’s life here,’ said the Night Haunter. ‘Many do. This is not a happy world. But it can be a better one. By killing yourself, you take the easy way out, you encourage others to do the same. You might think you add yourself to a statistic, but your self-murder is much more than that. Every suicide adds to the rot weakening your culture. Every life abandoned is a signal that change can never be effected. You throw your existence away, and in doing so lessen the value of humanity.”

    Proceeds to de-skin suicidal woman slowly.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    I though you said you were from Iran.

    But seriously I don't think that episode was harmful.

    Douglas is just a general asshole.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    The character is an asshole AND that episode is transphobic. More telling is the creator (Graham Linehan) who is a vocal TERF. I don't really want to pollute this space with his toxicity, but search if you're curious.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago*

    Can you tell me what's transphobic about it?

    When I first saw it I would have thought it was trans-supporting, other than the detail that (IIRC) the trans woman was played by a cisgender woman.

    The entire point of it is that the only thing that is stopping Douglas from being genuinely, incredibly happy, becoming a better person and living an actually fulfilling life in the end is his inability to accept a historical detail that had made absolutely no difference to his relationship. And, since Douglas might be the worst person in the world, we see him destroy that because of his own weird machismo values. Just when we think he's completely changed as a character, his shittiness on this one thing, emblematic of his incredibly toxic masculinity, comes crashing down on him. This is, darkly, funny. We are abruptly reminded that Douglas is an actual monster, to the point of fist-fighting with the person he loves. "Character is briefly happy but previous behaviour and/or shittiness of their character ruins it for themselves" is like at like 30% of Linehan's sitcom plotlines.

    If there's something I missed - and it's been a few years, and thoroughly agree that Linehan's subsequent behaviour justifies examining his previous work for ulterior motives - I would like to know it. Genuinely.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Caitlin Jenner deserves every minute of air time in South Park though. JS

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    Twin Peaks is safe 🙏 Bless Denise

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Shout outs to Lily Simpson for showcasing just how bad these shows really are.

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    getting back into arrested development and then getting to that episode

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