"No, I haven't sat down to play the games," said Walton Goggins, who plays pre-war movie star Cooper Howard and his post-war counterpart The Ghoul. "And I won't. I won't. I won't play the games. I'm not interested."

The reason is actually pretty simple: Goggins doesn't want to think of the world or the characters of Fallout as elements of a game.

"All of a sudden, I'm looking at this world from a very different perspective, and as something on a screen in which I am an avatar in. I don't believe that I'm an avatar. I believe The Ghoul exists in the world. I believe that Cooper Howard exists in the world." he said.

"The best way that I can serve this world and serve the fans of this game, I think, is to go to work every single day and believe the circumstances that I'm presented with," Goggins said.

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[–] 97 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Makes perfect sense from the perspective of an actor.

They want their performance to come naturally and with the direction of the writers/directors.

Playing the games can make an actor subconsciously act how they think would fit the games rather than how would fit their specific character.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I was going to make this it's own comment, but it fits well as a reply here.

    I don't agree with this. I don't think he needs to play them, but the argument doesn't make sense. Would he say the same if it were a movie? I'm willing to bet not. He just doesn't want to play the games, and that's fine. The bullshit excuse of "not wanting to believe the world" is stupid. If you're making a movie set in a larger cinematic universe you don't get to act noble about refusing to engage in the rest of the media. It being a video game doesn't change anything.

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    [–] 86 points 9 months ago (27 children)

    Good for him. Actors who want to embrace their character and the world they are portrayed in shouldn’t feel pressured to consume the source material, whether that’s a video game series or a book, especially when the show or movie could wildly diverge from the source.

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  • [–] 89 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Counterpoint, Henry Cavill in The Witcher. Though he left once they started diverging from the source because he knew that it would make the show subpar. And it did.

    Knowing the source material can help actors understand more nuance of their character and the world the show takes place in.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Pointercount, the lore in Fallout is grossly inconsistent which is not the case for The Witcher.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    The lore in Fallout is grossly inconsistent because of a lack of Henry Cavills working at Bethesda.

    There's still a chance to retcon stupid shit. I really, really would prefer that outcome to "eh the lore in this RPG series doesn't matter that much.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    The lore in Fallout is grossly inconsistent because of a lack of Henry Cavills working at Bethesda.

    They have had staff that knew the lore the fact is they decided to change things because it made the game more fun. For example mutants and supermutants should not be in almost any part of the wasteland as the means to create them is not universally available according to lore, yet they are in every single game because they are fun enemies to fight.

    Fallout chose fun gameplay over consistency.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Sure, but if everyone later complains that the show was too different from the source material, they'll look back to things like this.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    It doesn't really matter for Fallout either, it's pretty basic at its core. It's not like he needs some deep understanding of the factions to play a character here. It's just a post-apocalyptic world, where his character happens to have no hair or nose. It's always been a sandbox, which lends itself well to a show.

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    [–] 61 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, it’s not like he’s the writer lol

    Doesn’t seem like an issue to me

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  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Makes sense to me. The Ghoul is an original character, and Goggins doesn't need to know a lot about the setting or source material.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah I mean, I assume he knows all the relevant details about the show from reading the scripts, and the show is probably designed so a viewer can get into it without knowing the games well, so there's really no need to know all the lore stuff from games that isn't in the show anyway.

    Plus TBH the dude is a movie star, he's probably got movie star shit to do rather than putting a few hundred hours into a bunch of RPGs lol.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I think people have gotten some unrealistic expectations from Henry Cavill. For all I know, Walton Goggins has absolutely nothing to do with the writing, so why would he care much about the source material? I can respect him for just wanting to do his job, listening to how his boss wants him to do it.

    It's the director and the writers people should expect to care about the source material, not the actors.

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    [–] 33 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm totally cool with this. He's not involved in the creative direction. He's just a damn good actor, he doesn't need to understand the whole feral, or glowing one, or whatever. Let the writers write and actors act and ffs keep the executive away from both!!!

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    He'd be perfect for the writer's room

    EDIT: Jokes aside, I respect his decision as an actor, but I also don't have faith in the direction they're giving him. Fans want him to play the games because they don't have faith, either, and they'd like someone on set pushing for something closer in tone to the West Coast games than the East Coast games. He's easily the best part of the show.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    Sounds like a pretty standard Method Acting way of going about it.

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    [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    Fair. It's not like his character is in them.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    If he is dedicated to the world and his character, that's sufficient. Hes a fantastic actor. buuuut...

    I would suspect that him playing the games would not make him "think of the world or the characters of Fallout as elements of a game." but I'm not Walter Goggins. Realistically, hes just not into video games with major story campaigns and doesn't understand they're just a different form of story telling media. He's thinking of video games as exclusively as an avenue of competition, mastery, or challenge.

    So I think hes wrong, but I don't know that it matters that materially.

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    [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It’s not like his character has a special meta understanding of the fallout games or universe

    He’s acting the character like he’s a professional actor because he is and a good one too

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    [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    Considering none of the characters in the game played the game either, I don't see the controversy.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This thread is awful quality for this community, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised considering the article that started it is PC Gamer ragebait. Gamers are always looking for their next moment to rise up.

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    [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    My mind's eye flashes to something like The Master and I'm bummed that's considered "gamey" by great actors. Not that I expect actors to go fucking play Fallout 1 with a Small Gun Crit/Speech build and go collect the Brotherhood's data and confront the Master in a battle of words... but if someone would like to show Goggins on their phone that kind of thing is in the games, that the games themselves strived very hard to make living, colorful worlds, I think it certainly wouldn't hurt the show. Hell if someone wants to show that scene to anyone currently at Bethesda I think it could positively impact the next game.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Spot on. People in this thread are incorrectly assuming that we want him to play them for "the lore" and not so he can see the tone of some of the performances.

    But I do respect the actor wanting to take notes only from the director, it's just I don't trust this particular show's direction.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Walton Goggins apparently

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Not even just to see if the games are fun? Like, he doesn't need to take inspiration for his character from it, but if he is interested in playing video games for fun outside of relating to his acting roles, why not give them a shot?

    If he said "I just have no intetest in playing video games" I'd have no follow-up questions about it.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Maybe he plays other games for fun, it doesn't say.

    But it sounds like he's choosing not to play these ones because it would affect how his perspective on (and he feels about) the setting, which may affect the quality of his work.

    The games aren't without charm but coming from the series first? It'd feel like those mobile gacha game ads. You think there are such interesting complex characters in a politically nuanced setting that tackles some tough themes about how people survive... after all, you're acting one of them.

    ...and then you play the game where 90% of it is getting number pop-ups from shooting nameless raiders, and strangers yelling ring-a-ding-ding as you pass by.

    I love FONV, but I think he made the right call. Even if he enjoyed the gameplay, it would change how to did his job.

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