Muslim and Arab Americans say their support was critical to Biden’s winning Michigan in 2020. Some warn they won’t back him again over his blanket support for Israel.

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[–] 138 points 2 years ago (38 children)

Wonder what they think Trump would have done differently.

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  • [–] 85 points 2 years ago

    Seriously. Trump is advocating turning Gaza into a parking lot.

    And it's not like Democrats have exactly been shy of their general support of Israel, if you've paid any attention at all. They just also happen to acknowledge that Palestinians are people, unlike most Republicans.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    It's possible to be angry at both Republicans and Democrats.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    In a First Past the Post voting system, refusing to vote, or voting 3rd party, is numerically the same as an extra vote for the candidate you hate the most. It's just one more vote closer to victory that your opposition gets.

    Neither party is great, there's plenty to dislike about both, but it's patently obvious that one is far more harmful than the other.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Well it's not really numerically the same as voting for the candidate you hate the most, it's numerically the same as not voting. And to be honest, it really only matters if you're in a potential swing state. And I'm saying this as someone who still votes despite having lived in a deep red state where my presidential vote always doesn't matter (but I go anyway because down ballot votes do matter and I might as well vote the whole ballot).

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    [–] 93 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    So instead of diminished aid for Palestine, you’d rather… checks notes… travel bans for all middle eastern people trying to go to the US, except for people from a handful of governments who are actively giving Trump money?

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Don't forget Trump's son-in-law's middle east foreign policy plan for Israel that Palestinian supporting groups rejected and weren't consulted with further. Israel was to be allowed to annex existing settled positions, and no further expansion from either side. Israeli settlers haven't adhered to this "peace plan" anyway.

    Any Americans staying home at elections, this type of foreign policy is what they tacitly support.

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  • [–] 90 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    Sure don't vote Biden. Just vote for the fascist Republicans that previously banned people from muslim countries. That will work, right gaiz? Plus any Republican president won't ever send Gaza aid. Biden is sending aid.

    https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206897197/biden-makes-deal-on-aid-delivery-to-gaza

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    [–] 68 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Single issue voters are myopic

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    [–] 65 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Islam and far right Christianity have a lot in common. Wouldn't surprise me that the Muslim community would side with the party that wants to limit women's rights and LGBTQ rights.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

    Honestly it's shocking how most religions veer right in the most extreme groups. Ultra orthodox anything tends to lead to traditional but extreme sexism, cultishness, and xenophobia, or in other words, the GOP.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    It's not shocking. The right, conservatism, can be explained by asking what it is they want to conserve. What do conservatives want to conserve?

    The answer is traditional societal norms, hierarchies and power structures. From here it isnt a big jump to understand why religions and conservatism often go hand in hand.

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    [–] 59 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    So, like, are they going to vote for the guy that literally has "banning Muslims" as a platform?

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    [–] 52 points 2 years ago

    Ok, but then don‘t cry when Trump gets reelected

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  • [–] 51 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Welp…good lucky with that other guy, whomever that might be.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    My feeling is that this "betrayed" part of Muslim is the socially conservative one that voted left because the right was racists and pro Israel. But if the left is pro Israel as well, then they might as well vote right to get conservative (pro life, misogynistic) policies forward

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    “I am willing to vote for a much worse actual fascist monster who will 100% use his presidency to destroy democracy and those that tried to hold him accountable, all because Biden… stood with an ally during a horrendous terrorist attack even though because of Biden Israel has slowed its roll and allowed aid in”

    The full brainless take from that moron. What an emotionally stunted bullshit opinion

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    [–] 44 points 2 years ago (21 children)

    So their option would be...what?

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    [–] 35 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    A man giving up his life for the USA is not enough to stop Trump from berating that soldier's surviving family publicly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khizr_and_Ghazala_Khan

    If Arab and Muslim want to choose that over Biden because of Palestine well then I'll not contribute ever again to a rebuilding of the mosque in my community.

    Consider my face eaten, leopards.

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    [–] 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If I have to choose between eating a shit sandwich and a shit sandwich with broken glass, I'm gonna choose the one without the broken glass every time. So many people seem to think that eating the one with broken glass, or letting someone else choose, is somehow taking a stand against shit sandwiches.

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago

    religion makes people do the dumbest shit

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    So who are they going to vote for then? I cannot believe that they would imagine Trump to be more sympathetic to their cause, if anything, Israel would receive even stronger backing were he the President

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    They obvioualy haven't heard what Trump and the right said about Hamas then, or they wouldnt be thinking that way.

    This is a best case scenario.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    Yeah, vote for a republican because that’s definitely not going to fuck you. And let’s fucking be real, all you pedants: a vote other than Biden is a vote for the republican traitor filth.

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    because of biden we got the ground invasion put off and humanitarian aid flowing into gaza...

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    That makes no sense whatsoever to me. And I'm not alone, that I know for sure. I mean the whole ordeal: religion, war, hate, the economic construct of "nations" - I don't get it anymore. Actually never had.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    😂 lol so they want trump.... Who wants to wipe out all Muslims.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Muslims make up less than 1% of the U.S. population, which is much less than the margin of any presidential election in my lifetime, so I doubt Biden is losing too much sleep over this.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    Seems kinda weak, just stating who you don't support. And to be a single issue voter is dangerous.

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