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[–] 149 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Any time someone says an ultra cheap monitoring device is subscription free I just picture an odd man running a curio shop telling me his wares don't cost money

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  • [–] 34 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The actual hardware cost of these devices is actually minimal. Basically any wifi capable microcontroller, a camera and depending on implementation some storage (or a micro sd-card holder). So that price is only cheap in comparison to existing products.

    For reference, said microcontroller with basic camera can be had for like 3$ or something.

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  • [–] 112 points 10 months ago (26 children)

    ...and do they sell data, including video, to law enforcement and insurance?

    Sincerely, A person who recently was in a fender bender and was not surprised at all when Progressive shared "incident footage" from a Ring camera across the street at a location completely unrelated to the fender bender

    (They ARE selling your data, folks. NEVER trust big tech to act in your best interest)

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I stopped my Ring subscription but kept the doorbell camera.

    It wasn't until a year later when I was moving and the house was almost completely empty (still had internet/wifi setup) and I looked at the wifi app and saw that the ring doorbell still had significant data usage.

    They were clearly still capturing my doorbell video.

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    [–] 66 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    From the listing:

    Answer your door from anywhere in the world with this remote viewing Video Doorbell.

    So I assume you're not expected to self-host this. Which means they have to run and maintain servers. And $16/person ain't covering the cost of this device + servers indefinitely.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    you can make very cheap to maintain peer to peer solutions

    you can use a STUN server to discover your public IP and use a method called UDP hole punching to open a port others can connect to. STUN servers are very cheap to run: they don’t actually handle the data; just provide a kind of handshake service in the middle for coordinating

    this is often used for peer to peer video chat etc

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    any chance this can be done through your router/modem, where your phone app connects to external ip of router and is the "server end point" for your doorbell?

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    [–] 37 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    It may not require a subscription fee, but that's really only a minor concern.

    Having my video surveillance be uploaded to a cloud service and having to use some proprietary app to use my device is the real problems.

    If you want security cameras, look for boring Power over Ethernet cameras that have an RTSP output. They connect to your network and provide a video stream out a specific port. Then you can plug that into whatever FOSS network video recording system you're using (Zone Minder or Frigate) and then you can access it like you access any other thing on your local network.

    Never goes to a cloud, never leaves your house.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    If it has local storage then it doesn't get uploaded anywhere.

    It also has BT so the offline mode could be simply "record to SD card and view videos using some app via Bluetooth".

    Online mode with notifications and two-way talking has to require internet access so I definitely wouldn't trust it, with or without subscription.

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    [–] 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    "Doorbell with a subscription" is something so utterly stupid, an absolute misdevelopment.

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    [–] 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I believe this is only for the European market though. Aldi has stores in the United States, but I don't believe it's available here.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Are these even legal in Europe (the part that is not the UK...)?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    I'm no expert, but I believe this is down to the individual member states.

    In my country (the NL) it is technically not allowed to film the public street with an automated camera, which effectively makes Ring and equivalents illegal to install in most places

    Practically this is not really enforced though, so you see them everywhere anyway.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Stop putting bloody cameras bloody everywhere bloody hell!

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    [–] 12 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Security researcher here. I'm assuming this to be some low cost chinese easily hacked thing.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    The product page says it offers cloud storage. Though you maybe can use it offline by recording to an SD card.

    So it may not require a subscription, but it still requires an online service... which kind of misses the point that people make about these things being privacy nightmares.

    It wasn't the fee that people were worried about, it was the network video camera uploading to a cloud service which can be accessed by the secret police.

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    [–] 11 points 10 months ago
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    I always thought it would be cool to have a doorbell that, when pressed, would flash a red light on the person standing there and then a machine voice would say 'Target Acquired'.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    how about i dont need a video doorbell and i can use my eyeballs and look out the window

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