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[–] 188 points 3 years ago (82 children)

I'd love to see some stats on reddit engagement now. Anecdotally, I logged in just to look at my usual subreddits (the ones that are open) and they seem dead.

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  • [–] 75 points 3 years ago (33 children)

    I use RSS to get feeds for subs that are not active in lemmy.

    Many posts are dog shit level now. Either looking for help or just garbage.

    Check out r/lemmino lol.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago

    Yep. I feel like all of the high-value like high-quality posters are now here or elsewhere and are done with reddit. I used to post a ton on reddit, even across multiple accounts. Now I just post here. lol

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  • [–] 41 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    The bots won't stop. And probably have increased. So it'll be tough to see without slices we'll never get

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago

    That's the punchline that makes me chuckle when I read how "little impact" the protests and migration have had.

    Here's a little secret: Reddit mods can't know for sure which accounts are bots. They can suspect, but they're no easy, reliable proof. Reddit admins, though, know exactly which accounts are bots — they just prefer keeping that info to themselves.

    For me, that triggers a great big "Hmmmm".

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  • [+] 34 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (31 children)
  • [–] 65 points 3 years ago (19 children)

    So I saw this on mastodon ... and it's a little weird, perhaps not unlike the cultures that migrants develop in their new homes.

    There's a tendency, I think, to overestimate how bad the "old" platform has become since "we" left. In reality, it's not nearly that bad, if any different at all, and those of us not inclined toward this overestimation go and check the old platform from time to time and get confused as to where all of this "hellscape deadness" is.

    I think we can all imagine to some extent why this might happen. But I'm writing this just in case it's healthy to point out that it need not happen, and that the thing that's actually changed, though you might not know if you've arrived here recently, is this place, which is a whole new thing!

    A story I think of along these lines is what Steve Jobs did when he went back to Apple in the late 90s. Back then Apple thought they had to beat Microsoft to win. Thing is the company was close to dying with huge debts etc and were never going to do that (still haven't come close today). But they were so enamoured with their past to the point of having a museum of all of their old products. Jobs had the museum removed, told everyone that for Apple to win it has to stop thinking about Microsoft because they'll never be destroyed, instead Apple had to win by doing its own thing, and then, super contraversially for the time, had Bill Gates invest a bunch of money into Apple and appear on the big screen during a keynote to rather audible "boos".

    It doesn't matter what Reddit's doing or whether they're doing well. It matters if we're doing well ... as cheesy as that might sound.

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  • [+] 17 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (17 children)
  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago

    It’s sad.

    I get where you're coming from ... but I'm inclined to push back on this. I don't think it's sad. Reddit has many users on it and lemmy has substantially fewer. Not every interest is going to be covered by the amount of people here. It's just a reality right now.

    However convenient it is to have everything on one platform or one place, I think it's important to recognise how much of a weapon or shield that is for big-social monopoly companies. A fractured and more open or diverse internet is, IMO, a good thing. It's also less convenient and staying in contact with people only on reddit makes sense. But that drop in convenience is worth it, IMO, and I don't think it's sad.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (13 children)

    Just do what you can on Lemmy for now and wait for the users to make their way over. It will take a couple years but as long as the quality here is better, people will slowly but steadily make the transition. And it won't be hard to beat out reddit in user experience, we all know how far they have fallen and it's only getting worse after they IPO.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago

    Love the pep talk, and the sentiment behind it.

    I loved Reddit, spent at least an hour a day there and often much more, but I'm loving the Lemmy too. In many ways it's better, and one of those ways is that it's so much smaller — a much higher ratio of thought vs tired memes and dumb jokes and slick burns.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I'm wondering how much of that is bots.

    Reddit is trying to build up to an IPO, so it's not far-fetched to think that Steve Huffman would have seen the exodus coming, and supplemented traffic with bots so the drop in engagement didn't seem so precipitous.

    I think the thing that is going to suffer most is comment quality. Unfortunately (or for Huffman, fortunately), it's not really something that can be quantified.

    I think we will see a slow decline until the platform is basically walking dead. It'll function, and maybe there will even be apparent engagement, but the quality will be nothing like it was before this whole debacle.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    I doubt it made a dent. 250k doesn't even register on the map of 100m active users.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    It does if those 250k are the ones submitting/creating content.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Are they though? I didn't submit posts on reddit. Looking at the front page of lemmy it's missing a lot of the topics and subjects reddit posts about.

    I'm not trying to be a downer, I think 250k is great and it's enough to make lemmy 100% replace reddit for me. But I don't think it dents reddit. I talked to my friends and they barely noticed anything except the blackout. I go on reddit all the same communities are still posting and commenting as normal. But saying that when I looked at reddit I realized how much garbage is posted there compared to lemmy.

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    [–] 82 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    I think having a link aggregator is going to be so great for the fediverse. It allows us to gather content from all over the internet and bring to to the often secluded fediverse.

    It also means we can post links to fediverse discussions and draw people in.

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    [+] 61 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (6 children)
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    [–] 45 points 3 years ago* (41 children)

    So far, all the lemmy apps I've used are in very early stages and quite buggy. Currently enjoying WefWef (PWA / web-based app) which I like the best.

    Looking forward to Sync, though!

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago

    Not sure when you last tried Jerboa. It really shit the bed during the Lemmy 0.18 transition period but it's been working a lot better since Jerboa v38 and is quite smooth.

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    [+] 41 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)
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    [–] 41 points 3 years ago (12 children)

    I just wished the Lemmy API docs were better lol.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago

    I just wished the Lemmy API docs were better lol.

    Finnegans Wake makes more sense than Lemmy API docs. Even calling it "documentation" is a stretch.

    I literally had to clone the Lemmy git repo and read the source code to find the implementation of an API endpoint and see how it worked for a script that I was writing.

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    [–] 32 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (11 children)
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    [–] 30 points 3 years ago* (9 children)

    Should be interesting to see how the fediverse in general handles more traffic, as we’ve seen with kbin and lemmy over the last month or so there are certainly some growing pains

    at least we are making the most of our new space here, we all seem to be building something fun here ghost

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    [–] 28 points 3 years ago (36 children)

    I don't think lemmy is still growing. I might be wrong but this graph https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse
    is trending down and i've seen a lot of smaller magazines/communities that haven't had any posts for 1-2weeks by now.
    I try to help that problem at little but i doubt lemmy&kbin has >100k active users right now.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 years ago

    Lemmy will still be receiving stragglers. E.g. I only signed up yesterday! I only went on Reddit once every few weeks or so, and thus only just found out where my communities had migrated to. I’m sure there are many users like me who haven’t yet followed their communities to their new homes.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago* (4 children)

    They might be using some smoothing, because all lines are noise-free. and the last point might just be an artifact. It looks like a constant growth

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    According to the graph it accounts for active users within the last 30 days. 30Days ago the reddit strike started and an influx of people started posting. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people haven't been here since. There was a lot of performance and other issues with lemmy&kbin at that time.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    There is also always a flurry of people trying out accounts in multiple instances whenever there's a migration wave, so not only are we seeing people who dipped a toe in only to leave, or go back to Reddit, but we're seeing the effect of people understanding how the ecosystem works better and settling into a single active account.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I think it is currently growing, as in more people will visit tomorrow than did today, but also it has shrank since a couple weeks ago when everyone was hyping it up as a reddit alternative and trying it out. Not everyone who came to try it has stayed.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago

    A lot of people just want the endless scroll. No need to comment or post, just consume the posts. They would go back to Reddit for now because Lemmy is not a decade old content machine.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children)

    The dip is attributable to kbin which has some weirdness around active user counts, largely because they don't keep track of them, so I'm not surprised that their numbers might vary somewhat over time.

    Otherwise, yea, it'd be accurate to say that the migration wave has come to an end. Mastodon went through multiple waves over the years so we'll see what happens from here. I for one am rather happy with how lemmy (and kbin) have turned out and am not desperate that a hole bunch more people come over.

    My biggest concern is that there isn't more cross talk between lemmy and mastodon, and that's because the fediverse is yet to actually do a good job of making the boundaries between platforms thinner. There are many conversations going on in parallel that would be happy to connect but can't because the fediverse hasn't worked out a way to make that work well (yet).


    EDIT:

    My biggest concern isn't that there isn't

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    [–] 24 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I’ve been using the Memmy app and it does a decent job of improving the experience for an Apollo refugee, makes the transition away from Reddit much easier

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