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[–] 46 points 3 years ago (4 children)

The Hamas attack on civilians does not justify the Israeli attack on civilians and vice versa. There is little comfort for the victims of these attacks when you say it was an accident as part of war.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Feels more like revenge, than justice.

    Poor Justice too, because we'll never know what crime that family committed to be sentenced to death. Except for being unlucky.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Both groups seem to be OK devolving to the lowest common denominator.

    I hope the citizens can find peace and love amongst the hateful and antiquated policies being fed into their heads from politicians and culture.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago

    Very hard to shake out the hatred once you have been brought up with it. People are fed with hatred from their infancy, they breathe hatred every day, they dream of hearted every night. France and Germany did this for two generations and it brought WW1. Germany and Japan did it again in the 20s and 30s and it brought WW2. Hamas, Likoud, Hezbollah and Republicans are feeding the same hatred to their members.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (33 children)

    I'm sure the ICC is keeping a close eye on what transpires during this war. Perhaps, it's too much to ask that the perpetrators of war crimes face the consequences of their decisions.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    I've noticed though that these international bodies aren't really effective at handling these types of conflicts.

    Was anything done about Azerbaijan invading Armenia? Nope.

    League of Nations 2.0.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

    Azerbaijan didn't invade Armenia.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago*

    Sure they did. They invaded the part of Aremina that was literally inside Azerbaijan's borders, because Armenia seized it through conquest a few decades back after the USSR's collapse, and proceeded with a "population exchange".

    Btw how did "population exchange" become popularized to use instead of ethnic cleansing? I genuinely don't know, but I've seen it alot lately.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago*

    I mean Azerbaijan have invaded Armenia proper in the past in skirmishes, but Armenia also invaded Azerbaijan and gained territory from it... They've also both committed genocide against each other, with the region in the news recently for Armenians being expelled/killed/leaving following Azerbaijan recapturing it only being majority Armenian due to the Azeris being expelled/killed/leaving in the 90s...

    In reality it's a situation very similar to Israel/Palestine where regardless of how it started/what the "original" status of the land was, both sides are so overwhelmingly awful in their actions that there's no good guy, but of the four places mentioned only Palestine (Hamas really) has such a disdain for all people, even their own, that they stand out as worse than the others to me

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  • [+] -12 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (27 children)
  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    I think you need to read it again, there are multiple instances of war crimes reported.

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  • [+] -4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Can't speak for him, but off the top of my head....

    Article 49 of the 4th Geneva convention accords:

    49: Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as
    deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the
    territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country,
    occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.

    Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or
    partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or
    imperative military reasons so demand. Such evacuations may not
    involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of
    the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is
    impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall
    be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area
    in question have ceased.

    The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations
    shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper
    accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that
    the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene,
    health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family
    are not separated.

    The Protecting Power shall be informed of any transfers and
    evacuations as soon as they have taken place.
    The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an
    area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security
    of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.
    The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its
    own civilian population into the territory it occupies.

    I don't hate Israel, in fact I think it is in America's best interest to protect our spy network assets. Though, I will not stand for people making misleading statements about war crimes. We can do better.

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  • [+] -2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    I don’t see how 49 has anything to do with air strikes.

    It has to do with an active warzone or areas hitherto, which Israel just declared.

    Keep in mind, I am not even looking at their past, I am looking at the here and now and seeing what they are doing,

    49 is about moving people from an occupied area.

    Which Hamas currently.... occupies... the southern part of Israel.

    Unless Israel is just fighting civilians, then we have a whole other set of war crimes.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Israel isn't exactly operating with improvised explosives. Israel is one of the most well-funded militaries in the region and has enough Western guided munitions to fend off all their neighbours.

    Either Western munitions are absolute garbage or Israel is going "oopsie doopsie I totally didn't see those civilians!"

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 years ago (15 children)

    A good rule of thumb to remember in these situations is who are the "good" guys and who are the "baddies"

    For instance, when US bombs a hospital, it is NOT a war crime. DON'T EVEN DARE to call it as such ok. 🤗🤗

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-afghanistan-msf-investigation-idUSKCN0XQ24T

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  • [+] -4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)
  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    Maybe you weren't paying attention on the part where taking hostages is a war crime.

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  • [+] -2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    My original comment never explicitly called out Israel nor Hamas, and for good reason. You're the one that claimed, and I quote, "read the article, there was no war crime". The line I quoted was pulled directly from the article.

    I'm sure now you will be correcting your original claim, right?

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  • [+] -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    No, YOU were talking about Israel. My comment was "clearly" as general as I could make it. You replied to MY original comment, the onus is on you to understand the subject of my comment.

    Instead of being intellectually honest about your mixup, you're re-defining the goal posts. You challenged me to find a single part in the article that would classify as a war crime and to also provide the exact war crime committed. I did exactly that, as requested.

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  • [+] -2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Just keep moving the goal posts, that's fine. I'm not jumping through any more of your hoops. You've proven yourself as intellectually dishonest. I submitted to one of your challenges, and when I met it you just doubled down. For me, there's no point continuing this discussion after this.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    If you are naive enough to think that a bombing a "jam-packed refugee camp" was an honest mistake, then I have a bridge to sell you, going very very cheap.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Blowing up buildings and jam-packed refugee camps, knowing fully well that it'll create mass civilian casualties is a war crime. And I'd rather take the word of experts rather than a nobody over this.

    Quoting from the article itself

    But human rights groups have previously said that Israel’s pattern of deadly attacks on residential homes display a disregard for the lives of Palestinian civilians and argued they may amount to war crimes.

    The article quotes a previous article Human Rights Watch: Israeli war crimes apparent in Gaza war

    Human Rights Watch on Tuesday accused the Israeli military of carrying out attacks that “apparently amount to war crimes” during an 11-day war in May against the Hamas militant group.

    The international human rights organization issued its conclusions after investigating three Israeli airstrikes that it said killed 62 Palestinian civilians. It said “there were no evident military targets in the vicinity” of the attacks.

    So yeah, brush it off as "Mistakes happen" somewhere else

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago

    An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    But keep telling yourselves that the genocidal occupying force with trillions in international military funds are the victims...

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  • [–] [B] 2 points 3 years ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The Israeli military fired the shot just a short distance from Nasser Abu Quta’s home in the southern Gaza Strip, a precautionary measure meant to allow people to evacuate before airstrikes.

    Abu Quta, 57, thought he and his extended family would be safe some hundred meters (yards) away from the house that was alerted to the pending strike.

    The airstrike in Rafah, a southern town on the border with Egypt, came as Israeli forces intensified their bombardment of targets in the Gaza Strip following a big, multi-front attack by Hamas militants Saturday that had killed over 700 people in Israel by Sunday night.

    It also points to its adversaries’ practice of embedding militants in civilian areas throughout the impoverished coastal enclave of 2.3 million people, which is under a under a severe land, air and sea blockade by Israel and Egypt.

    But human rights groups have previously said that Israel’s pattern of deadly attacks on residential homes display a disregard for the lives of Palestinian civilians and argued they may amount to war crimes.

    Abu Quta was gripped by grief Sunday as he prepared for the rush of burials with his two dozen other surviving relatives, including wounded children and grandchildren.


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