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Age Verification On Lemmy (feddit.de)

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I've seen multiple requests for nsfw lemmy communities like reddit has. I live in Germany, and I think you are required to verify that the users that see porn content are above the age of 18. Does Lemmy has or plan to have a feature for that? Maybe this should be an issue on github?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

In all the history of the world, there has never been an effective technological solution to a sociological problem, legislation mandating such a solution notwithstanding.

Any technological solution you find or build that appears to be effective is merely an illusion of effectiveness to those unaware of its limitations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to this wikipedia article it is mandated for pornography in Germany and the UK. Interestingly enough some alcohol companies in the US also try to verify their users age to ship them alcohol... So yeah a pretty isolated problem I guess

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

While the UK government abandoned this legislation

The law never really became law, it was dropped before the enactment date by Boris (because he loves his porn too much)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pornhub is proposing something that would be enforced on the browser/operating system level, and then the service providers would only need to specify the minimum age for a certain resource. While there are obvious limitations with this approach, it would work much better than the current approaches for distributed services.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think they meant verification in the sense of a popup that asks you.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nope I meant real verification. Pornhub doesn't require it, because the server and the company are not stated in Germany. Imo all porn site should have real verification instead of the "I am 18 or older" popup, that literally does nothing to prevemt minors from seeing porn.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

nanny state regulations shouldn’t be a replacement for simply expecting parents to do their job and ensure their kid doesn’t have unfiltered internet access

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lemmy is a platform managed by a disparate group of operators all with different levels of experience and commitment.

Verifying identity online is both a hard problem and a legal/security nightmare. It involves validating and possibly storing things like government identification or other sensitive personally identifiable information.

There is no way this will ever be implemented in the core platform. All existing solutions today are outsourced to third party companies with the expertise in validating different forms of identification as well as the legal insurance required to warehouse it.

And all of this is setting aside the obvious fact that you should not be required to doxx yourself in order to view pornographic content online. Minors will just go somewhere else outside of the jurisdiction of these rules and still get access. Hell, just turn off safe search on Bing and you can find porn.

Measures like this don't actually stop minors from accessing pornography. They only put law abiding citizens at risk by forcing them to trust private companies with their identification and hope their government doesn't decide to further police their morality, or use their revealed sexual preference against them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wtf I don't want my personal ID in a database

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is not necessary for age verification. You just have to go through a working verification process and then you just get the checkmark in the database. most sites that really verify your age use credit cards for that, which are of course sub par, because children can just take the cards from their parents, but it is better than nothing

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And this process does not necessarily have to use ypu personal ID

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never heard of something like that. Do you have an example of a website which dies that?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can verify myself using my Id card and a terminal or via NFC. The app used is the middleware between software or website requesting verification and my ID. No data leaves my ID in direction to the software or website. The middleware just gives a thumbs up to the verification request.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The thing is, the "software" actually is open source, so you can tell how data is requested from your smart ID. The german government ID has an explicit function for age verification that does not provide any personal information.
https://github.com/Governikus/AusweisApp2

However it is probably hard and costly to get certified to use any of those functions as a service provider.

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