Decentralized social network Mastodon says it can’t comply with Mississippi’s age verification law — the same law that saw rival Bluesky pull out of the state — because it doesn’t have the means to do so.

The social non-profit explains that Mastodon doesn’t track its users, which makes it difficult to enforce such legislation. Nor does it want to use IP address-based blocks, as those would unfairly impact people who were traveling, it says.

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[–] 271 points 11 months ago (6 children)

There's going to come a point at which the Feds/States will lean on the ISPs to handle the censorship for them. We've had people all over the Nat Sec system staring at the "Great Firewall of China" and asking themselves "Can we get something like this over here?"

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  • [–] 117 points 11 months ago (20 children)

    This is why it's perfect time to get some tech literacy regarding tor, i2p, yggdrasil, and shadowsocks. It's not perfect solution to use tech to circumvent restrictions that shouldn't be there in the first place, but sometimes it really comes to that point and it's really nice to have all systems ready!

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  • [–] 86 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Arguably though, at some point they'll just say "if we can't read your traffic, you can't use the Internet."

    Which still isn't a problem, as I'm sure we can come up with a means to encrypt traffic to make it look entirely legitimate. But it's going to take a while.

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  • [–] 65 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    At that point people would probably go to a p2p adhoc wireless meshnet to bypass the ISPs entirely.

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  • [–] 49 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    You mean "at which point, people will just say 'oh, ok'". (Assuming they even notice)

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  • [–] 43 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    "People" will just comply. Tech savvy people like us are the only ones that could circumvent it

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Sneakernets, my friend. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a pocket full of microsd cards traveling on the subway.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I don't know literally ANYTHING, so take that into account when answering this, but why can't a single person access the "Internet" on their own, without an ISP. Can't they be their own ISP? Or can't small groups of people - friends, family, co-conspirators - create their own private ISP?

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago

    The p2p meshnet that they were referring to basically is a local/small group ISP.

    As for why a single person cannot (effectively) become their own ISP? It's complicated. Really complicated. ISPs have to pay other ISPs just like you and I do, unless they're a Tier-1 ISP/Network. Otherwise you're always going to be paying to connect to (and generally paying for bandwidth) another network that has access to a network that then has access to a T1 network. T1s are basically the largest networks that hold (or can directly access) the majority of people on the internet. Top of the food chain, so to speak.

    So in theory, yeah, you can become your own ISP - but you'll still need to pay and be at the mercy of other ISPs. Datacenters are typically their own ISP, but they have to pay others to get online just like we do.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    this is what the mesh networks are that people have mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

    It is theoretically possible to create a purely peer-to-peer network where each individual connects to people nearby, and then any individual can in theory communicate with any other, by passing data packets to nearby people on the network who then pass it on themselves until it reaches the other person.

    You can probably already grasp a few of the issues here - confidentiality is a big one, and reliability is another. But in theory it could work, and the more people who take part in such networks, the more reliable they become.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    Imagine the internet is a network of roads. The ISPs in some parts of town control the roads, in other parts they only control the stop lights. You can build your own road through private land to avoid the stop lights but it’s expensive. The isps can put traffic cops at the stop lights and monitor and stop you if they want. The only way to get around it is to build a road all the way to the destination.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    If you mean an HTTPS ban, it’s technically possible, but even mainland China and Russia haven’t gone that far. One major reason is that it would completely undermine basic internet security. It would instantly make man-in-the-middle attacks trivial, letting anyone sniff purchases, transactions, and more. Buying anything online - or using a credit card at all - would suddenly become extremely risky.

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  • [–] 74 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    If this really about protecting kids, they could've done opt in blocking at the ISP level. Just a few new fields with ISPs and they have products that can take care of this already.

    This is really about tracking every little thing you do online.

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  • [–] 28 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    All my IT and InfoSec friends have called me alarmist for suggesting even the possibility of a GFW of America, but every day that passes, it looks more and more likely to happen, doesn't it?

    Start practicing circumvention techniques now, y'all, while it's still legal and cheap to do so. Learn amateur radio. Learn Meshtastic. Learn all the different censorship-resistant VPN technology out there. Host your own websites or services for friends, family, or your community. It doesn't make it impossible, but it does make it hard, and fascism is nothing if not lazy.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    Its already happening in Spain. Everyday there is a football match from the spanish league (thats from Friday to Monday, both included) LaLiga orders the ISPs to shutdown everything that uses Cloudflare under the pretext that the shady websites that offers pirated football use their services, killing easily 1/3 of the national traffic for like 4-6h.

    Why the ISPs comply?

    • The biggest ISP of the country (Movistar) also happens to be the main one that showcase legal football.

    How is this legal?

    • The judge that authorised this and the president of LaLiga have been friends since forever.

    Eventually this will go the European court where they will rule this was illegal and anti-constitutional all along and give a Spain a fine (the the citizens have to pay), and revoke this bullshit, but untill then we are screwed. Nothing will happens to LaLiga, the judge, or Movistar, fucking privileged and corrupted bastards.

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  • [–] 152 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    I agree with mastodon, even though eventually Texas will enact similar legislation forcing me to use a vpn to read it

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  • [–] 43 points 11 months ago (11 children)

    Woudn't it be smarter to just leave the hellhole that is Texas? Either to the north or to the south, leaving is a win.

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  • [–] 112 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Sometimes there's family or other things you just can't take with you. Support structures you might not have somewhere else. Friends and neighbors. Mutual aid.

    There can be circumstances that override that. But honestly, the more that flee. The easier it is to get what the fascists want. And at best you're only helping yourself short term. Because no matter where you go. They will come for you if they can.

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  • [+] 48 points 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    And even there. There's no guarantee. Going to Europe where fascists in Russia, Hungary, etc loom? Maybe you'll be safe a little longer somewhere on the Asian continent with the currently slower rolling fascist forces there. But it's only temporary. You can't ultimately escape.

    The question is. Where well the breaking point be for most people. What event will cause the public to drag these fuckers from their homes and hold them responsible. Because that's what it's going to take. For them to remember that they rely on us. Not only for their wealth. But continued existence. Only when that fear has been driven into them, will things even start to get better.

    And it might surprise us. It may just be a red state that does it. One of these Republican sycophants getting dragged from a town hall. Assaulted by a whole community for their rolls in making things worse for everyone. Police are going to have a hard time locking up a whole town. And these elected ghouls that love to ignore their constituents will reel in terror. To be clear, violence isn't the answer. Fear is. The fear of knowing we far outnumber them. That they could be subject to violent accountability at any moment. Dragged from their safe beds even.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago

    People fleeing fascism are just hoping other people will be forced to fight it and win before it gets to them. No matter what happens, eventually some people will have to stand and fight it. There is nothing wrong with deciding that the time to stand and fight it has come. It is scary, yes. It has been a long time since we have had to fight fascism. We might feel like we have forgotten how. But we will learn quickly. The same technology that enables them also enables us in ways just as profound, maybe more profound. Vive la resistance!

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago

    I was fruitful and multiplied, its hard to organize a large migration of people, some of whom want to stay.

    I will travel, but am rather tied to this area, even if I do not see it changing for the better in my lifetime

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    Are you really so naive that you believe that a VPN subscription is more difficult or a higher bar than actually getting up and moving?

    Potentially meaning you need to find new jobs, new friends, new support structures....etc

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  • [–] 108 points 11 months ago (5 children)
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    [–] 73 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    We need more federation and P2P in everything.

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    P2P! I have been screaming this into every forum at reddit since last piece of shit president was president. See? This is why!

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  • [–] 66 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    The more interesting question is, who would you arrest? Just ignore the law. It's unenforceable when it comes to the fediverse.

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    [–] 56 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Last time i checked "states rights" didn't mean the right to impose your laws on people or businesses running out of other states.

    If anyone from Mississippi wants to use our services I'm totally ready to ignore any and all laws that don't acknowledge to sovereignty of the net.

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  • [–] 38 points 11 months ago

    Does the law in Mississippi apply to the geographic region and airspace, or only residents?

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  • [–] 35 points 11 months ago

    Also states don't have one company to go after. It is nearly impossible to track down and file court orders for if your lucky non-profits in other countries.

    Like I don't think there are many people that host Mastodon instances that will listen to a court order out of the goodness of there heart.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago

    "Mississippi has a backwards-ass age verification requirement. We're not allowed to let users in from Mississippi. Verify you're not in Mississippi"

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    States should just create a firewall, and not shift burden to supply chains.

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