As organizations are looking to reclaim their digital sovereignty, IONOS and Nextcloud are building the fully featured office suite “Nextcloud Workspace”: a powerful Microsoft 365 alternative. As long-standing partners, we have the expertise to enable large companies and organizations with an all-round office suite as European answer to US products. Announced at the Nextcloud Summit earlier this month, this collaboration for digitally sovereign office software that meets the highest data protection requirements will launch in 2025.

To meet the rigorous needs of public institutions and enterprises, Nextcloud Workspace will integrate a full range of collaboration tools, including file storage and sharing, document editing, email, calendaring, video conferencing, chat, and AI-powered productivity features. Of course, this offering will be fully GDPR compliant and securely hosted in Europe.

Organizations can trust Nextcloud to deliver a fully integrated office and collaboration suite, thanks to the company’s experience in creating the world’s leading private cloud platform. IONOS, Europe’s largest cloud and hosting provider, is the ideal partner to ensure full GDPR compliance and protection from US legal exposure. Hosting will be managed exclusively in Germany, at IONOS’ extensive network of data centers.

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[–] 73 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Oh shit

This will undoubtedly have a major impact against Microsoft and even perhaps Google.

AI-powered productivity features.

Everything is pretty sweet except ^the AI productivity features. Hopefully the AI portions are optional opt-ins rather than it being preincluded opt-outs.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    No. Anytime who has actually done MSP work understand that most businesses are not purchasing office. They are purchasing a compliance and technology and identity control plane that has just about every add on a business needs.

    Personal office use has always been a nice secondary.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Search your heart. You know which it'll be.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    I don't even have to search. I already know it'll be preinstalled/hidden opt-out based on current tech industry trends :/

    I'd usually say that "I'm hoping for the best, prepared for the worst" but honestly at this point I think I have 0 hope, and I'm only prepared for the worst.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Thats from the current nextcloud docs:

    We strive to bring Artificial Intelligence features to Nextcloud. This section highlights these features, how they work and where to find them. All of these features are completely optional. If you want to have them on your server, you need install them via separate Nextcloud Apps.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I actually want AI on my Nextcloud. As long as it runs locally. We've taken thousands of pictures over the years and desperately need some help in categorising them. Unfortunately so far I wasn't able to find any reliable way to automate it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    It’s all just part of their addons, so you choose yourself if you want AI. You can even choose to have local AI, if you don’t want to use an external AI, which I believe is ChatGPT.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    It's an alternative, but IONOS honestly fucking sucks as well, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent about this.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What's wrong with IONOS? Their VPS prices are some of the best out there and reliability has never been an issue for me.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I've had the opposite experience with their cloud services in a professional context. My biggest gripe is with United Internet, the monopolistic company that owns IONOS, 1&1 (an ISP) as well as the ad-ridden, flaming pile of garbage that are GMX and WEB.DE, two of the most popular email service providers in Germany as well as a constant source of pain for anyone operating an Email server. They will ignore common industry standards and best-practices, silently block your mailserver for absolutely no reason, not respond to inquiries and just generally make the internet a slightly worse place for small to medium sized businesses and selfhosters.

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    [–] 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It would be nice if they could offer alternatives for individuals with prices comparable to those of Hetzner Storage Share (which is based on NC). Somewhat, I feel every other NC hosting solution is way more expensive per GB.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hey, I had been searching for a reasonably priced NC hosting for a while. I even considered a VPS from Hetzner but somehow didn't find this. Thanks for pointing it out.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The Hetzner Storage Share lacks a lot of features that Nextcloud IONOS have. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Hetzner has an office suite for Nextcloud?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I am not sure what this is supposed to be announcing. I have been using the hosted nextcloud from Ionos for a few year and I can say the experience has not been good. The nextcloud version is outdated by several years, the store is locked and the service minimal.

    That being said it was the most competitive provider I could find for nextcloud + collabora as a service (not all provider include it, hetzner does not)

    Though I love nextcloud and I switched to a new provider this month, the office apps still need work,the se patate server they require make the ecosystem difficult to read. Still overall I am very happy to see this kind of things surfacing, as nextcloud is a very nice alternative to gsuite or o365 with a lot of avantage. Just don't go with the Ionos version.

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    [–] 11 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Please tell me they're not writing it in php.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I might be wrong, but it sounds like hosted nextcloud, not a completely new platform.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Nextcloud is so slow and brittle, I can’t imagine scaling

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I was in the same boat and therefore my nextcloud instance was mostly running for backwards compatibility with a few setups I have, while I mostly use seafile, immich and sogo. But a few days ago I updated to nextcloud hub 10 (I think that's with nextcloud 31 under the hood) and damn does that run smooth. I was so impressed I got motivated to finally setup the high performance backend for nc talk.

    I still dislike PHP, but nextcloud just won back my heart a little.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I've moved away from Nextcloud

    It is such a pain to maintain and is way complicated

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Not sure how long ago you tried it. But my first attempt at an install back in 2021 was so much more complicated than when I did it again in 2024. It's been rock solid ever since. I use the docker all-in-one method, it's pretty straightforward. When I went back to college, I decided to use it to organize all my classwork, and it's perfect for that. I still prefer LibreOffice to author papers though.

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Europe’s largest cloud and hosting provider

    It's the first time I'm hearing about IONOS. Are they really larger than OVH?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Probably a case of hidden infrastructure.
    I believe (no source) IONOS solely belongs to 1&1 AG of which 'United Internet' has a majority share (that I am sure of).
    IONOS = Business focus. Primarily hosting and services
    1&1 = End-Consumer focus. Primarily ISP and some other consumer services.

    I would assume they count the infrastructure they provide for both 1&1 and IONOS.
    Besides that they only have (I think) 2 DCs in Germany and 2 or 3 other locations in the EU and I think 1 in the US.

    So in the end I would say it's either Hetzner or OVH and then IONOS as having the most infrastructure.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Is this just hosted nextcloud with collabora office pre installed?

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Intentional BSOD-coloured branding?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I'm wondering what will happen to openXchange which ionos is using currently and is afaik also holding parts of. It does exactly the same.

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