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[–] 79 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Agreed, if a bear can eat a person why can't I eat a person?!

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    [–] 67 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    OP will be real dangerous when he learns fish also don't ask for consent.

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  • [–] 52 points 3 years ago (38 children)

    Nobody is saying that fish are moral agents that can empathise with other beings. That doesn't man that they're not moral subjects; the ability to understand that one is causing harm is not a prerequisite for the ability to suffer oneself. I think everyone knows this intuitively, but it does feel good to have our less moral habits be justified by memes that we would otherwise find to be illogical.

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    [–] 45 points 3 years ago (27 children)

    Something needs to die for you to survive, what and how much is up to your individual tolerance for input/output ratio.

    Death and suffering is a natural state of being in nature. I can reduce it, but I still need to survive.

    I hate fishing. I don't need to fish in my current station. If I did, I would fish.

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    [–] 42 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    By this logic, is it fair game to eat people who eat animals?

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    [–] 41 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (7 children)

    You consider humans superior in intellect and ability compared to all other animals yet can't grasp the fact that some humans have chosen to use said superior intellect and ability to avoid killing other animals?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    You consider humans superior in intellect and ability compared to all other animals

    Does he?

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  • [–] 40 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    How come fish can eat their own offspring but we can't do the same to ours?

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    [–] 37 points 3 years ago* (7 children)

    Fish eating fish doesn't lead to ecological disturbance. Humans have put multiple species on the verge of extinction.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago (69 children)

    The difference is that the fish needs to eat the other fish. We don't need ANY animal products. So every killed animal suffered and lost their life for 10min of taste for us that we didn't need. Being vegan is so easy in 2023.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (68 children)

    taste

    what about vitamins? proteins and other nutrients

    like omega 3 fatty acid majorly found in fishes

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  • [–] 43 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    There are plenty of plant sources of Omega 3. Flax seeds, walnuts, soybeans, and canola oil all have decent amounts of omega 3 in them. As for protein, legumes generally have a bunch.

    Really, the only thing a vegan needs to supplement is B12, but even that gets added to a bunch of stuff like breakfast cereals and plant milks if you consume those.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 years ago (38 children)

    I’m not on either side of the argument, but would guess a good argument would be that fish need to eat other fish in order to survive as it’s their only source of food. We don’t. Provenly.

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    [–] 27 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Buy a man eat fish, he day, teach fish man, to a lifetime

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    [–] 27 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    As far as value goes, I don't particularly value my own life or that of a fish. I do value the suffering of both while living though, as in I want to minimise that as much as possible.

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    [–] 25 points 3 years ago (29 children)

    sigh Came from reddit to lemmy, still see stupid af carnist memes like this. Don't know if it's a win or what for the fediverse

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago (26 children)

    I'm sorry, but I laughed at carnist. Lighten up.

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    [–] 22 points 3 years ago (26 children)

    I have never understood this logic. If a lion eats a zebra, there's nothing wrong with it, but when a human eats a cow, they're a horrible person. (also I know that not all vegans think like this)

    I personally believe there's nothing inherently wrong with eating meat, and instead the problem is how we treat the animals we eat and that we eat way too much meat, taking it for granted.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

    We are intelligent and capable of considering the idea that an animal may not want to die, and we have it within our means to survive without meat, or with much less meat than we currently consume.

    Animals who are being lead to slaughter have been observed to panic and try to flee. They do not want to die. What right do we have to take the life of an animal that wants to live as much as any other person? We are capable of considering this question. Animals are not. That's the difference.

    Even as a carnivore you would not eat a freshly born baby straight out of the mother's womb, whereas any other predator would see it as an easy meal. There IS a moral implication in taking life.

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    [–] 16 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Can someone explain this template to me?

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    [–] 14 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    This is why I'm a pesca-pescatarian. I only eat fish that eat other fish.

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    [–] 13 points 3 years ago

    Because we don't need to

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I suppose it was only a matter of time before the vegans vs meat eaters oozed on over from Reddit.

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