A standoff between the site and some of its most devoted users exposes an existential dilemma.

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[–] 164 points 3 years ago* (52 children)

"These people who are mad, they’re mad because they used to get something for free, and now it’s going to be not free. And that free comes at the expense of our other users and our business. That’s what this is about. It can’t be free."

Funny, seems like he has been getting all of it from content to moderation for free, and now he is the one angry it isn't free any more....huh.

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  • [–] 71 points 3 years ago (15 children)

    If they had charged API fees such that 3rd party apps would have had to charge a monthly fee to users....I would have probably just paid. And I know I'm not the only one.

    But they priced it intentionally to kill 3rd party apps, because they wanted to channel access through their garbage app with its "promoted" ads all over the place.

    It's not about "free vs. not free" it's about intentionally killing off the applications that made reddit likeable as a platform.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    That's why this whole debacle is so mystifying to me. If they would have tried to monetize the 3rd party space by way of charging a reasonable API price to the devs, it's not hard to imagine that most serious Reddit users wouldn't have any qualms with parting with a few bucks here and there to keep the status quo. I can't imagine that Reddit is able to create a situation where they earn more from their advertising platform per user than having users simply pay to maintain the existing experience.

    The only theory I've heard that makes a lick of sense is that if Reddit fundamentally changes the site experience to pursue other monetization options (Hello Reddit NFTs), then 3rd party apps would've been able to just ignore implementing those features entirely.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago

    Also, as a disabled internet user, those APIs are of value for the sake of accessability. Given Reddi'ts own app is, and forgive me to use technical jargon here, steaming pile of bullshit even for those with perfect vision?

    Yea fuck you too spez.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 years ago* (17 children)

    I had thought those where your words at first, you can quote like this;

    These people who are mad, they’re mad because they used to get something for free, and now it’s going to be not free. And that free comes at the expense of our other users and our business. That’s what this is about. It can’t be free.

    I'm struggling to show you what symbol it is without it turning into a quote, so here's a picture of the greater than symbol;

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (13 children)

    Oh, nice! So I set the quote in between the greater then and less then symbols and it will show the quote? That is pretty cool. Thank you.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago* (12 children)

    Not quite I think. I believe this uses markdown, which just uses the > at the beginning of a line

    > This is a quote

    should become

    This is a quote

    And if you need more lines, you just keep symboling

    > 1
    > 2
    > 3

    1
    2
    3

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Feels like I'm back on Reddit circa 2015 LOL

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  • [–] 33 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    This never changed for those of us who used old reddit ;)

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  • [–] 24 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Seems like a case for r/selfawarewolves ... If that's a thing that still exists.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    But the ownership class always deserves to get things from regular people for free. It's only those of us who make our living from our physical or mental labour, rather than owning property, that don't deserve free shit.

    That's just the hierarchy in action, doncha know.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    Funny coming from a techbro that thought to farm out getting site content from that userbase he's now wanting money from.

    Like I get it if he's wanting to not go into debt, but at the same time he's shot any chance at user good will and assistance in the face with a cluster fat man.

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    [–] 48 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    No users, no Reddit. It's as simple as that. Why the paint huffer thinks he can take content from his users for free, then sell it back to them, is mystifying. No, no, dickhead. You're acting like you're the most important component of Reddit when you are, in fact, the most expendable.

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  • [–] 45 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    The money quote IMO is at the end:

    Reddit, like any commercial platform, is only a community until its owners need it to be something else.

    That's a good reason to be mindful of what we're building here on Kbin, Lemmy, and other federated networks. We're not just trying to build a Reddit methadone, to help us down from our high after quitting cold-turkey. We are, I hope, aiming to build (or rebuild) a community -- one not dependent on the monetizing whims of a private owner.

    The author is right: Spez lost site of the community aspect. Here's an opportunity to show them that the idea still means something to a lot of us.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    If for some reason kbin becomes bad, you just move to another instance (that defederated kbin) and you still get the prior cached posts and comments, just new stuff won't be shitty. I guess you'd have to leave your kbin profile behind.

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  • [–] 41 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I come from the era of the BBS. The PHP Forum. SlashDot, and Digg. I come from online games ranging from EverQuest, to Multiverse Crisis MUSH, to Moments in Tyme, to Warframe, and More. I have walked messenger clients from the times of AiM, IRC and Yahoo, to Skype, Steam, and Discord.

    In my thirty years of being online, this is not the first petty tyrant claiming that upset users are the problem rather than taking a long hard look in the mirror. This will not be the last.

    The best we can do is grab popcorn and watch as his platform dies. He won't admit to making any mistakes. Especially with money involved because he's under the deluded belief that showing any weakness invites a price drop from investors. Yet this behavior? It REEKS of weakness and insecurity.

    Migrate and Move On. the rest is just playing u/spez's game.

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    [–] 36 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    landed gentry

    democratic

    Bro, that's just a little too much bullshit coming from your mouth for me.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (14 children)

    I was definitely addicted to reddit but it's been surprisingly easy to stop using it. I have been reading instead and I'm 75% of the way through Wool right now. Before I would endlessly scroll through but now when I open reddit I am bored in a few minutes. I'll probably still use it to find useful answers on Google but otherwise 🤷‍♀️

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago* (4 children)

    I don't think I would have broken away without Kbin/Lemmy. Turns out I was addicted to discussion, not Reddit.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago

    That's kinda what you find out over time and as you see platforms crumble.

    the platform itself is just a wrapper for the discussions. If you can find somewhere with those discussions? The wrapper is irrelevant.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    I've always been pretty good about limiting my casual reddit browsing to only when I have literally nothing else I can productively do with my time, so I'm very pleased that for the most part Lemmy and kbin can already pretty effectively fill that gap for me despite containing a fraction of the firehose that is reddit.

    And you're absolutely right that it's a great excuse to refocus on any other hobby.

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    [–] 11 points 3 years ago

    This will be an all-time great case study at the Harvard Business School.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I'm kinda glad Reddit is blowing up, it has been shit for a long time to be honest. Yes you can seclude yourself into smaller and more niche subreddits, but they all end up catering to the lowest common denominator eventually. If fediverse really kicks off I'm sure the same thing will happen in 10 years, but for now I'm excited to be trying something new

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    [–] 9 points 3 years ago

    If third party reddit browsing apps are competitors to reddit, that means that I have preferred their competitors this whole time! I think I am going to stick with reddit competitors.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This will all end badly, and I'm here for it. 🍿

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    [–] 6 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I hope Spez gets explosive diarrhea every day for the rest of his life.

    And if for some weird reason he is into that, then I hope he gets concrete constipation every day for the rest of his life instead.

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