A standoff between the site and some of its most devoted users exposes an existential dilemma.

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[–] 164 points 3 years ago* (52 children)

"These people who are mad, they’re mad because they used to get something for free, and now it’s going to be not free. And that free comes at the expense of our other users and our business. That’s what this is about. It can’t be free."

Funny, seems like he has been getting all of it from content to moderation for free, and now he is the one angry it isn't free any more....huh.

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  • [–] 71 points 3 years ago (15 children)

    If they had charged API fees such that 3rd party apps would have had to charge a monthly fee to users....I would have probably just paid. And I know I'm not the only one.

    But they priced it intentionally to kill 3rd party apps, because they wanted to channel access through their garbage app with its "promoted" ads all over the place.

    It's not about "free vs. not free" it's about intentionally killing off the applications that made reddit likeable as a platform.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    That's why this whole debacle is so mystifying to me. If they would have tried to monetize the 3rd party space by way of charging a reasonable API price to the devs, it's not hard to imagine that most serious Reddit users wouldn't have any qualms with parting with a few bucks here and there to keep the status quo. I can't imagine that Reddit is able to create a situation where they earn more from their advertising platform per user than having users simply pay to maintain the existing experience.

    The only theory I've heard that makes a lick of sense is that if Reddit fundamentally changes the site experience to pursue other monetization options (Hello Reddit NFTs), then 3rd party apps would've been able to just ignore implementing those features entirely.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    My speculation is that they want to charge LLMs like ChatGPT, especially for training. Those devs basically want to access every conversation on Reddit.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago

    Also, as a disabled internet user, those APIs are of value for the sake of accessability. Given Reddi'ts own app is, and forgive me to use technical jargon here, steaming pile of bullshit even for those with perfect vision?

    Yea fuck you too spez.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    I think there's a little more to it. If they're trying to go the Meta way where dwell times and other such evil metrics are used, they need to have their own app for that level of info. It might be a requirement for their IPO or requested by their advertisers.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Yup, if two months ago they said reddit premium members won't experience any changes, and started pushing ads to 3rd party clients and restricted NSFW posts on 3rd party clients without premium I bet there would have be considerably less push back. I know I probably would have ponied up to $60/year,but instead I have abandoned the site without any intention to return.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    their app is so ass and the response is to kill all other apps rather than improve their own

    I mean, they could have just stolen the good designs from other apps and made theirs more user friendly, but fuck that, better to scorched earth the motherfucker

    honestly, I was going to stick around reddit but after seeing all the bullshit he's spewing in these tech interviews I don't want to give him a penny of my time/data

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  • [–] 31 points 3 years ago* (17 children)

    I had thought those where your words at first, you can quote like this;

    These people who are mad, they’re mad because they used to get something for free, and now it’s going to be not free. And that free comes at the expense of our other users and our business. That’s what this is about. It can’t be free.

    I'm struggling to show you what symbol it is without it turning into a quote, so here's a picture of the greater than symbol;

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    To display formatting characters without having them actually affect formatting, put a backslash in front of them. Like this:

    \>

    That produces this:

    >

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (13 children)

    Oh, nice! So I set the quote in between the greater then and less then symbols and it will show the quote? That is pretty cool. Thank you.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago* (12 children)

    Not quite I think. I believe this uses markdown, which just uses the > at the beginning of a line

    > This is a quote

    should become

    This is a quote

    And if you need more lines, you just keep symboling

    > 1
    > 2
    > 3

    1
    2
    3

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Feels like I'm back on Reddit circa 2015 LOL

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  • [–] 33 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    This never changed for those of us who used old reddit ;)

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

    And I believe you can do a multi line quote with 3:

    >>> hello darkness my old friend
    I've come to speak with you again
    More
    Lines

    hello darkness my old friend
    I've come to speak with you again
    More
    Lines

    Unless I'm wrong and this isn't actually working

    Hmm well that looks like it worked too well

    > test
    With
    Several
    Lines

    test
    With
    Several
    Lines

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Nah, multi-line is just

    > line 1
    line 2
    line 3
    
    

    line 1
    line 2
    line 3

    You only need multiple > if you want paragraphs:

    > paragraph 1
    
    > paragraph 2
    
    

    paragraph 1

    paragraph 2

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Yes but when can we use ||spoilers||

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    >!Testing!< is the Reddit spoiler syntax, not working yet, though: >!Test!<

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  • [–] 24 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    But the ownership class always deserves to get things from regular people for free. It's only those of us who make our living from our physical or mental labour, rather than owning property, that don't deserve free shit.

    That's just the hierarchy in action, doncha know.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Seems like a case for r/selfawarewolves ... If that's a thing that still exists.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    It's the same as when he started talking about "landed peasantry", the projection is strong, aware or not.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Wonder if there's a magazine/community on Kbin or Lemmy.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Nailed it.

    CEOs. Literally the worst. Toss up between "politicians" or CEOs. They take what they don't produce and exploit it for their masters.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    Funny coming from a techbro that thought to farm out getting site content from that userbase he's now wanting money from.

    Like I get it if he's wanting to not go into debt, but at the same time he's shot any chance at user good will and assistance in the face with a cluster fat man.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago

    Yep mainly moderator's.

    Also the thing we were getting for free (or paying for app) was a good service. If the Reddit app wasn't crap when could have had that money. Many pay for premium to remove ads and still use these apps

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