It's not always about the performance impact...DRM has been known to restrict and prevent legitimate gamers from playing the games meanwhile those that sail the high seas ignore the useless DRM and continue to play.

There's so many games I haven't bought simply because they used/ implemented Denuvo. I see Denuvo and it's an instant lost sale/nonbuy.

In our chat, Huin implied that this kind of public analysis was not very useful because "gamers [almost] never get access to the same version of [a game] protected and unprotected. There might be over the lifetime of the game a protected and unprotected version, but these are not comparable because these are different builds over six months, many bug fixes, etc., which could make it better or worse."

So they are literally trying to say that Denuvo isn't the cause of performance slowdowns, because patches to the game since the version that got cracked made the game that much slower?

Denuvo is a cancer on the gaming world, full stop.

I see Denuvo, I don't buy.

Simple.

If a game I think I'm interested in has Denuvo attached to it, it's an immediate pass. It just reminds me that there is is a back-catalog of games I could play on emulators, too. No sign ups. No always-online. No tracking me. So I end up reaching for one of those. It's almost quaint to think something can be enjoyed privately.

The last game I bought with Denuvo was Doom Eternal, and as a separate matter it still harasses me to this day to create a Bethesda account (I have to switch Steam to offline mode to bypass that). It still has that stupid DRM on it after all these years. What a waste.

I wouldn't say that it's evil, but rather it doesn't exist for the benefit of players, it exists for the benefit of corporations. They know that it hurts performance in games and prevents a lot of people from playing games that they've legitimately purchased, but so long as it's preventing some piracy they do not care.

Yeah, tough luck. Every implementation of it that Ive seen always seems to introduce a noticeable performance hit. Meanwhile, you can just liberate the game and not deal with any of that.

If a game I want to purchase has Denuvo, I just move on. It shows me that the game publisher doesn't care as much about their users as they do their own profit. Plus, I also could just play another game that I already have.

Where I'm from, it's legal to download cracked games so long as you've bought it legitimately. Paying for games isn't a problem, it's treating everyone as suspects that bugs me.

You can't. Don't touch my kernal, scary man.

What happens if a publisher never releases a non-denuvo build, just withdraws it from the store after the denuvo contract ends? If their patent is to be believed, there is no way to run a game without information from the server, since tiny parts of the exe are removed and only sent when the ticket is requested, and no way to crack it after the fact. Does the game just disappear if it was never cracked? How can somebody live with the fact that part of culture just disappeared, with the fact that a work of art just got lost forever because a corporation decided that profits were more important than maintaining a work of art? The existence of DRM is reprehensible, it only facilitates the restriction of works of art for monetary gain. The growth of human civilization can be attributed in no small part to the free flow of information. Now that information is restricted, not to protect anybody, simply because corporations decided that preventing a tiny group of people from accessing that media without a paying the bridge troll was more important than allowing art to flow freely.

Well, they're going to have to try a lot harder to convince me. In fact I don't think it's possible for me to see Denuvo as anything but malware.

Empress will read this and it will grind her gears. I am looking forward for her new NFO.

Denuvo only makes me go meet a FitGirl and her friends.

Of course it won't show that. Because they'll be cherry picked to not show that.

Aside from failing to convince me, they have deepened my own conviction that sound cards are essential to maintaining decent framerates.

Yea.... sorry, I don't believe in installing root-kits for playing games.

Especially, when most of the games I play are either single player, or co-op only.

I suspected there might be a bit of skepticism about this here. My suspicions have been confirmed!

That company could literally cure every type of cancer and I still wouldn't support a single thing they do.