It should come as no surprise that the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta. Their transparent and opportunistic scheme to commodify the fediverse and it's users will not be allowed to proceed.

We strongly encourage other instance administrators to do the same, given the grave threat they pose to the fediverse.

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[–] 260 points 3 years ago (12 children)
  • [–] 81 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    Seriously, I don't want to have to pull up the tent stakes already.

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    [–] 171 points 3 years ago (27 children)

    Every time I see a picture of him I think it has to be edited or something. He’s like a walking Snapchat filter.

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  • [–] 131 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (10 children)
  • [–] [S] 73 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Does any other human out there love smoked meats ?

    Context for those out of the loop

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    [–] 148 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    I would like to also add this argument into the discussion, since I've seen a lot of people who are voting for federating with meta, with the argument that defederating just because we don't like someone goes against the idea of Fediverse, and interconnected network of diverse servers that is should inclusive and allows people to connect.

    It's quite the contrary - allowing Meta in goes directly against the idea of Fediverse, and we should fight it as much as possible.

    This is a literal quote from the main header on https://www.fediverse.to/

    The fediverse is a collection of community-owned, ad-free, decentralised, and privacy-centric social networks.

    Each fediverse instance is managed by a human admin. You can find fediverse instances dedicated to art, music, technology, culture, or politics.

    Join the growing community and experience the web as it was meant to be.

    Judging by this main selling point of the Fediverse, it sounds to me like Meta shouldn't be in the Fediverse do begin with, and every instance should defederate from them by default.

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    [–] 146 points 3 years ago (11 children)

    Thanks for saving us lemmy.ml Admins.

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  • [–] 126 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Thank you Lemmy.ml Meta can F off.

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    [–] 123 points 3 years ago (16 children)

    I hope Lemmy.world does the same.

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    [–] 84 points 3 years ago (12 children)

    People left reddit because of corporate f*ckery, and some of them are now making excuses for meta?? What kind of mental gymnastics is this?

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    [–] 83 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    I would say we need a vote if lemmy.world should do the same. I would be for blocking meta.

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    [–] 83 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    So... you're not gonna try Threads then???

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    [–] 76 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to preemptively block threats / Meta

    The only sane approach to this "dilemma". Thank you for keeping the instance free of "threats" (I see what you did there)

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  • [–] 62 points 3 years ago

    Excellent. Big corporations go against the very idea of the fediverse.

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  • [–] 58 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    ...the lemmy.ml admin team took about 2 minutes to decide to pre-emptively block threats / Meta.

    When the typo is more accurate than what was intended to be written.

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    [–] 56 points 3 years ago

    Good riddance

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  • [–] 48 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Amen! I made a longer post explaining my reasoning for blocking Threads and the decision took only 15 minutes.

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    [–] 47 points 3 years ago (11 children)

    Thank you so much! Let's make sure the XMPP situation never repeats ever again.

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    [+] 46 points 3 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)
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    [–] 41 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Good riddance to Meta's bullshit. Stop them before they get to the first E in EEE.

    Here's a sign to put up at the border between Lemmy.ml and Threads, which will surely have a 100-meter wall built on it with 50 kV electric fences, barbed wire, watchtowers, snipers, and whatever to keep those Meta corporate fuckers out.

    Threads Quarantine Zone sign

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    [–] 37 points 3 years ago

    Thank you for your integrity and ethics. This action sends a strong message to the capitalist leeches where we stand.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    Hi guys, I'm new here from Reddit and I'm still learning about Lemmy and the Fediverse. Can someone ELI5 how not blocking Threads can negatively affect this community? Thanks.

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  • [–] 63 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (6 children)

    This is the gist: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

    Basically, big companies can destroy decentralised network from within once big enough people adopt it.

    What they do is

    1. Embrace - adopt the network with their own proprietary system, like Threads for example, as opposed to other system in the fediverse right now that are open source.

    2. Extend - spend resources like money, manpower, and even extensive knowledge on how to expand and make the network a better place with a lot more features while simultaneously promoting and making so that only their proprietary app can access it in the best way.

    3. Exterminate / Extinguish - once they have good amount of users, they can start crippling the other side, like maybe Threads can see posts from Lemmy and Mastodon but not the other way around, people are gonna think that Threads is superior and leaving the original instances. They can also pull back resources like even the people who used to work on developing the network that they used to give so generously before, and such the maintainer now has no way to keep up in developing the network.

    Also known as the EEE tactic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

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    [–] 34 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Haha... I wasn't wrong when choosing lemmy.ml as my lemmy server 😉

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    [–] 34 points 3 years ago (59 children)

    Gonna go against the grain here a little bit, but why? If they are federated, it will mean that you can move off of threads more easily to other servers and not get locked into a walled garden. Encouraging companies to embrace federation will avoid the shit shows like we've seen at twitter and reddit, since users will be easily able to jump ship without much loss. Additionally, apps like threads make federated platforms much more approachable to newcomers and those who do not even know what the fediverse is.

    I'd love someone to explain it to me, but this feels like a massive footgun.

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  • [–] 105 points 3 years ago (11 children)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

    Embrace: they embrace the fediverse, bring millions of new users to it and everyone is happy. The fediverse grows and the new meta instance gets a ton of content. Everyone is happy

    Extend: meta begins to add features to their instance which clashes with or is unusable with other instances. These begin to pile up and issues develop.

    Extinguish: meta unfederates from other instances. People are now forced to stay where they were and lose a majority of their friends and content from metas instance. Or switch over. Mass migration away from original instances. These instances die

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago

    I mean, lemmy.ml explicitly describes itself as a community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts (and I'm reasonably certain it's run by actual communists) so I'd have been quite surprised if they'd embraced Meta tbh.

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    [–] 33 points 3 years ago

    The great part of federation is that users who want to use Threads still can, and instances who don't want to federate with Meta don't have to. People who want to double-dip can sign up for their favorite instance(s) of choice, as well as with Threads. Neither one has to have any app shut down and everyone still gets to make a choice as an end-user rather than be decided upon by an unmovable authority. Win win!

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  • [–] 32 points 3 years ago

    Great news, now let's hope every instance follows.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 years ago

    Kudos...... It's very much appreciated and a refreshing change to not be let down by something you enjoy online.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 years ago

    Joined a few Lemmy instances, but the admin team taking actions like these might make lemmy.ml my main place to go. Anything corporate is irredeemable.

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  • I think a preemptive block on threads and meta is a wise move! I did it for both my Mastodon and Lemmy instances.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Thank you!

    Meta will only go full on E/E/E on the fediverse, even by "accident" (like adding new features and breaking the standard). Better choke them off right from the start and build small organic communities instead.

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    [–] 27 points 3 years ago

    Excellent news. I would have moved to another instance that did block if .ml didn't block them. Thank you for this lemmy.ml

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