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[–] 42 points 3 years ago (14 children)

It was only a matter of time before the Chinese started ramping up their own semiconductor capabilities. With all the inevitable industrial espionage involved, I wonder if the west really has that much of a head start in chip design.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    Design? No

    Fabs? The advantage is insurmountable as long as the US keeps preventing ASML from exporting EUV to China

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Making a lithography machine that's on par with ASML is just an engineering challenge. One that's been solved once already by ASML, whose to say it can't be solved again by someone else, especially if they can copy bits of the design.

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    [–] 22 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    $100 says this is a rebranded chip from something else, just like with the Powerstar P3-01105 CPU.

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  • [–] [B] 21 points 3 years ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    In another Global Times publication, Chinese analysts labeled N+2 as SMIC's 5nm-class production node about a year ago.

    Yet, there are independent proofs from TechInsights that SMIC produced MinerVa Semiconductor Bitcoin mining ASICs on its 7nm-class N+1 technology.

    Meanwhile, SMIC's Twinscan NXT:2000i deep ultraviolet (DUV) lithography scanners can make chips on 7nm and 5nm technologies, so that the company may have developed a 5nm-class fabrication process.

    Huawei's HiSilicon is China's most successful chip designer that has used to adopt TSMC's leading-edge fabrication technologies.

    After Huawei lost access to American technologies in 2020, HiSilicon could no longer work with the world's largest contract maker of chips, and it is believed that the parent company helped SMIC to advance its fabrication processes.

    Huawei has not commented on the matter, and even state-ran Global Times does not explicitly say that the HiSilicon Kirin 9000S uses SMIC's 5nm-class process technology but prefers to call the information a rumor.


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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I am not sure if American legislators realize that all these trade restrictions are only accelerating Chinese domestic chip development. The restrictions have the same effect as import tariffs, which is exactly what a government would do if it wants to protect and/or develop its own fledgling industry.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    This is definitely real and not propaganda because the Chinese economy is in a huge downturn.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    tomshardware.com is [checks notes].. Chinese propaganda.

    The cope is unreal

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (5 children)

    My only surprise here is the turn around. According to the people I listened to China was nowhere near the 7nm range, at all. Sanctions were put place no less than half a year ago, so for them to have figured it out this quickly is what's making it look sus. It takes nations years if not decades to get to thus point, and countries have failed trying too. My money is they are using western manufactured lithography equipment.

    Edit: From the South China article:

    TechInsights said SMIC used existing equipment and its second-generation 7-nm process to manufacture the 5G-capable Kirin 9000s for Huawei

    Huawei was known to have been stockpiling chips from its HiSilicon unit before TSMC cut ties to comply with US sanctions

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