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Huawei's New Mystery 7nm Chip from Chinese Fab Defies US Sanctions (www.tomshardware.com)
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[–] 42 points 3 years ago (14 children)

It was only a matter of time before the Chinese started ramping up their own semiconductor capabilities. With all the inevitable industrial espionage involved, I wonder if the west really has that much of a head start in chip design.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    Design? No

    Fabs? The advantage is insurmountable as long as the US keeps preventing ASML from exporting EUV to China

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Making a lithography machine that's on par with ASML is just an engineering challenge. One that's been solved once already by ASML, whose to say it can't be solved again by someone else, especially if they can copy bits of the design.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    It took them almost 20 years to make EUV machines that do it at scale. Canon and Nikon gave up on it.

    They also have many suppliers like Zeiss that may not be allowed to export to China, but I'm not sure about which ones are and which ones aren't

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Things can be done a lot quickly if you are given an unlimited budget. Consider how quickly NASA got from nothing to landing on the moon, vs how long it is taking now with their much more limited budget.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Yeah fuck that. As a Dutch citizen it should be up to our government to decide whether we let ASML export. But no, it's got to be the Americans.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    that's a micron of the boot the global south are feeling daily. They have not even outright taking your stuff while forcing you to pay for the gun they pointed at your face yet

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The Dutch government is ultimately making the decisions, they could remove all export restrictions if they wanted but that would really sour its relationship with the US gov't.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago

    The US sold patents to ASML under the condition that they would listen. The patents are from US publicly funded universities. Invent your own tech and you can export it anywhere you want

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  • [+] -10 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    What espionage? The western world does not make any chips.

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