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[–] 227 points 2 years ago (2 children)

@return2ozma @technology
10 years ago, the Feds wanted backdoors to all of phones so they could read all of our text messages. Now, the Feds want everyone not to use software that has backdoors so the Chinese cannot read our phones. The Feds don't want competition.

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  • [–] 108 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    The backdoors they use are there for freedom and justice, the backdoors the "others" use are tools of evil and security risks!

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    Absolutely. They were so arrogant they never thought it would happen to us. After all, we are in charge of our own networks so why would we expect the enemy to be at the gates? Let's make those gates out of cardboard so it's easier to spy on everyone.

    Of course then you have things like CALEA mandating a back door, you have cheap telecom companies that will happily buy cheap lowest bidder Chinese hardware and install it "everywhere* without concern for security (after all, it's not their data being stolen) and now the enemy isn't just at the gates but inside the walls.

    A decade ago, making sure the feds could read everyone's mail was the national security priority. Suddenly when the Chinese can read everyone's mail, good security is the national security priority.

    It's too bad there was no way to predict this in advance. Oh wait...

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  • [–] 110 points 2 years ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 69 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    The problem for me is that most Canadian Banks give you the choice of SMS or their shitty adware filled bank app that relies on Google Play Services and wont implement TOTP so I can use a true MFA app. And Im done with being forced to accept user policies I don't agree with to do shit, and most of all done with Google Play Services on my device 😑

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    Adding to this that my Canadian bank just updated their app and it doesn't work with my older phone. So my only option is to use online services with SMS/call verification.

    It's such a joy to know that my bank, who made $40.670 billion last year, takes care of every customer equally.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    This is the main reason I switched to Fidelity here in the US. It's a brokerage, but it does basic bank things, like checks, debit card, etc, and they support SymantecVIP, which works w/o Google Play Services. TOTP support really isn't that hard, I don't understand why banks are so slow in adopting it...

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The issue is, banks are only going to do what they're required to do by law. The government is run by dinosaurs who don't know what computers are, let alone what TOTP is.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    My bank prides itself being the first in the country to support yubikeys for 2fa. I was so happy until i learned it's just for logging in, transactions are still confirmed by SMS or their app. And security experts all say it's better this way, using a regular 2fa solution would be insecure because you wouldn't know what you're confirming.

    There really is no hope.

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  • [–] 67 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh man it sure would be nice if the feds had the power to regulate something like this /s

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  • [–] 66 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Been saying that for years. It's about damn time.

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  • [–] 55 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Oh it turns out we needed NSA to do its actual fucking job after all rather than holding onto exploits for the surveillance state.

    Now — for the second time — we have an adversarial administration eager to weaponize government departments while Americans are vulnerable. Why? Because America is the good guys and would never abuse its extrajudicial powers (say, by detaining, rendering and torturing Americans with names similar to those of POIs.)

    We could have had twenty-four years of robust communications security developments if NSA didnt sell the public out like Judas.

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    [–] 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I hate forced 2FA that you can't disable anyway. I don't want to waste time waiting for an insecure text, I don't want to input an unencrypted code you sent to my email, I don't want to click your damn notification that runs through Play Services, and no I'm not enrolling in passwordless auth. I don't need to be babied into securing my accounts. Any account I do actively and willingly secure is already using TOTP. Let me put in my username and password, then kindly fuck off.

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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    in other news grass is green

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    [–] 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Authentication for my work email: Enter 28 character password, receive sms, enter message, log in

    Authentication for my Battle.net account:

    -Enter email made before 2000 because they don't let you change email

    -Enter password

    -Get rejected

    -Solve CAPTCHA

    -Try backup passwords, get rejected

    -Request new password

    -Send request to 24 year old email

    -Try to log on to 24 year old email, email is suspicious and sends Authentication request to my newer email

    -Open newer email, Authenticate older email

    -open old email, Put in code to battle.net

    -Battle.net requests Authenticator code from Battle.net app

    -Open battle.net app (no requests)

    -Try manual code, doesn't work

    • Realize Battle.net app Authenticator not connected

    -Try to connect Battle.net app Authenticator to account

    -Realize you cannot connect Authenticator without signing in AND signing in requires Authenticator

    -Close Battle.net app

    -Open Blizzard Authenticator

    -Close warning that this app got depreciated in January

    -Enter manual code

    -it works

    -Attempt to change password to password I first attempted

    -Won't let me use same password

    -Try logging in using that password

    -Still doesn't work - Solve one more CAPTCHA

    -Change password to backup password and back to original password - have to solve 2 more Captchas

    -Finally works

    -Log in

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago

    Always has been

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Didn't this happen quite awhile ago? I don't see anything new in this article

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago*

    Thank god, give me my HMAC hash please.

    Nothing more terrifying than losing your phone number these days because of all the accounts tied to it via 2FA.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    The end of an era.

    Or actually, probably not until we redo whole cellular phone technology works and kick out all the bad actors using SS7 vulnerabilities for stuff like spoofing numbers and stealing messages. We really shouldn't be using a 45 year old system for almost all communications.

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    [+] 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  • Even stupider is supporting hardware keys for MFA, but having SMS fallback which can't be disabled (looking at you, Vanguard). I'd much rather have email as my second factor than SMS, and I literally abandoned a bank (Ally) for removing email as an alternative to SMS.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I wish Signal stopped using it. I know you can set a Signal PIN but a lot of the non-techy friends I speak to on Signal probably wouldn't think to, or look through the settings (not that you need to be "techy" to set it, but you know the kind of learned helplessness most people have about tech). At least a prompt for all users to set an account PIN so their account can't just be stolen by anyone with their SIM card.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I thought they abandoned SMS a couple years ago??

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (17 children)

    Since when was sms ever secure? My understanding is that messages are sent in the clear, meaning your carrier and the recipient's carrier both have the opportunity to intercept messages.

    I mean that's the message content, not the authentication, but still, sms is the opposite of secure, always has been.

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    [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    Hollywood hacking has nothing on real hacking it seems.

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    I coulda told you that for free. And sooner

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    id take email Authentication over sms Authentication if there was only them 2 let me use my 2facter app for the love of god plz i hate how banks use sms its like come on man

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    So many services still don't even offer 2FA at all. Any service that stores payment information and PII without any 2FA options, let alone a secure one, at this point are a disgrace.

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