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[–] 248 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Because he's done more to fix our healthcare system than any politician.

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  • [–] 108 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I wouldn't say fixed as things are the same way as they are, but reminded us how every day we are fucked by oligarchs.

    This is a weird time as we just elected them, just look how many billionaires are in trump's cabinet picks.

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    [–] 120 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    No shit... The gaping hole is the fact rich fucks are all we have to vote for. The President that recently won is the biggest example of undeserved wealth and power ever.

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  • [–] 55 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    Tell ya what. I'm struggling to make rent right now. Working 6 days a week, living alone, just keeping my head above water.

    2028, everybody vote for me, and I'll run on the platform of giving rich people the middle finger.

    Like Robin Hood......except vulgar.

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    [–] 116 points 2 years ago (44 children)

    This will probably be taken down, but psychology is what I do so here it is. This is not endorsement this is an explanation as to why there’s different sentiment for this shooting.

    This was stated in Trevor Noah’s latest podcast in open discussion. Josh Johnson raises the point. Most gun violence stories on the news, people personally feel threatened. Outraged that they or theirs could be at a music festival, a movie, at school. Most assholes with a gun are killing innocent people, never mind all the other bits. And most are clearly a little “crazy.”

    This was targeted, killer on killer, no collateral (death/injury) damage. The CEO had kids that’s the collateral damage. There’s even a lady with coffee who walks on scene then nopes out unharmed.

    This isn’t endorsement. This WHY the public as a whole doesn’t seem to mind. The guy who died killed thousands. That solves the innocent part. The killer doesn’t feel threatening to any of us. Because he’s not. That solves the threat. As for sanity, gun arguments aside, the manifesto isn’t unhinged.

    And so we find ourselves in an unusual space. Understandably so. This is new.

    No I didn’t read the article.

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    [–] 89 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    the bullet etchings alone make it a work of art. He picked out the absolute most unloved plutocrat in america. Its very much a masterwork execution at a time when everybody wanted a reprieve from the trump media circus.

    Timing: 10/10

    Execution: 9/10

    Target 10/10

    Style: 10/10

    We live in a country this happens every day I would take a CEO death over a Sandy Hook every time. I wish shootings weren't as common but it is what it is.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    the absolute most unloved plutocrat in america.

    Too bad that's not trump :(

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    With my limited view from Germany, thank God that it is not Trump. Presidents come and go, Democrats and Republicans swap places every now and then, but at the end, the US stays an oligarchy. By killing Trump you don't change much, you might create a public outrage, but it's like popping a pimple without addressing the acne. It might lead to an even bigger divide within the working class - those who were fooled into voting for Trump vs Democrats vs disappointed, disillusioned Democrats. One of the problems of the election was that not enough left leaning people saw the Democrats as much different from the Republicans, and they are right. Killing a politician would just distract from the problem even more. Just think of how much momentum Trump (and his movement) gained from the assassination attempt.

    Here, for once in months, when we see tiktoks or other clips from the public, we cannot even tell immediately where they lean politically - we just see that everyone is fed up with the same crap. Now both left and right, united, experience how the media lies to them and tells a skewed narrative. This is amazing. I sincerely hope it will not die, I hope this will grow and continue to spread like a cancer through society.

    It is sad that it took the murder of a person and a young man's freedom for this.

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    [+] 88 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (22 children)
  • [–] 137 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    I think it's more about class warfare than healthcare specifically. All my European friends are cheering him on too despite not experiencing hardship with healthcare

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    My girlfriend was very much in the club of “murder is bad no matter what” until I explained exactly why a health insurance CEO would be targeted.

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    [–] 76 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    I wonder. I still talk about snowden being a hero and I get some yahoo arguing with me. heroes of the millenia.

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    [–] 69 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Most definitely, he isn't the unibomber largely indiscriminately killing people based on some ideological manifesto, he targeted someone in charge of driving many families into bankruptcy if not outright murdering patients with denials, and targeted a problem that many know to be true. They may be trying to rewrite the legacy of the CEO, but he was not "one of the good guys".

    Although there is some crossover to the unibomber's manifesto, in the sense that where this would have been the breaking point in societies of the past waiting for a revolution, the new means of control and technology is being used to keep it under control, from all sides, even and specially those that abused social networks to put Trump in power. Can't have the status quo of "[I can] stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody [but not you]" challenged.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    Most definitely, he isn’t the unibomber largely indiscriminately killing people based on some ideological manifesto, he targeted someone in charge of driving many families into bankruptcy if not outright murdering patients with denials, and targeted a problem that many know to be true.

    By my math, Brian Robert Thompson killed 40,000 people.

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    [–] 53 points 2 years ago* (8 children)

    Yeah this may be a bit of a clumsy comparison but he’s giving me John Brown vibes.

    My insurance company just sent me a completely coincidental survey about my views towards them. I’m looking forward to going off on them when I have a moment. I’m sure it won’t do much but at least it should be cathartic.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Reminder that Luigi didn't do it

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    [–] 49 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    I just saw the news that they've charged him with terrorism. It's like they want to keep the outrage going, and give the jury a reason to acquit.

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    [–] 49 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I'm from Australia and I'm quite obsessed with this, so it's a pretty global feeling.

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    [–] 47 points 2 years ago

    Mangione has tapped into something most Americans share: a deep hatred of our health insurance system and of the profiteers who seem so indifferent to our suffering and death. He has still not been mentioned by Donald Trump, who must realize that Mangione’s fandom has no political boundaries.

    Wow even DT can't touch this

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (20 children)

    Will it? I'm already sensing it dying down. I think we need a refresher.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago* (15 children)

    I feel like many people are secretly hoping for a refresher. Nobody just wants to say it out loud.

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    [–] 43 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Hopefully he's the first of hundreds.

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    [–] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The level of cohesion in opinions since this event is palpable. It should not be ignored.

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    People love a martyr. Our man Luigi has become one, and it's exactly what the cause has needed.

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Be careful not to say anything positive about luigi because you're certainly going to end up on a priority list of people they are going to keep a lot of surveillance on. It's true, feds are terrified of people who seem inspired by things like this. If you say something really really nice about Luigi, the feds might even send you one of their female undercover agents to be your girlfriend for a while and spy on you.

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