I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.

I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.

Good job Mr. Torvalds, you are the master of being subtle. Not even RMS would do this and that's the biggest F-you I can give Torvalds.
actually what he said was "lawyers" told him not to say. Which I read as quite vague... just some lawyers. Could have been lawyers acting on anybody's behalf, not necessarily "his". Maybe he got some sort of demand letter from a right wing dark money law firm. There was such an organization making interventions into linux a while ago.
Oh fuck the lemmy.ml thread is full of scratched liberals screaming about Russia bad and Russians bad and this is good actually. .world and .shitworks continue to be a mistake.
The funny linux man is a chud...it's like liberal me learning the truth about Elon Musk all over again.

I'm also not going to start discussing legal issues with random internet people who I seriously suspect are paid actors and/or have been riled up by them.
Everyone Who Disagrees With Me is a Russian Bot is the perfect unfalsifiable truth for these libs.
they always say 'because of connections to Russia' and never 'because they were Russian'
I don't even get it, why have a smoke show when we all know exactly what you want to say
What's his email? torvalds@osdl.org fails for me
I don't care if it's pointless I already wrote a rant out and I'm damn well sending it as soon as I find an address to use.
He uses torvalds@linux-foundation.org to commit to github
Cheers. Told him his rhetoric about russians all being from a troll farm is indistinguishable to IDF rhetoric that Palestinians are all Hamas, among other things I had a rant about.
Please post the whole thing here 🙏
Hexbear must never see my 3am writing angry emails level of unhinged
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but seriously it's mundane, mostly just trying to push the "i'm disappointed" buttons, calling him racist, comparing it to the IDF's rhetoric and appealing to ego by comparing the moment to the same turning point people had on musk
littered it with "mate" and "bruv" even though I rarely talk like that because he needs to know i'm authentically british or else he'll dismiss me as a russian too, innit
It sounds to me like he may have been approached by somebody or gotten a legal notice and then enthusiastically complied with it. Either way not surprised to see Linus say dumb shit, he's been doing it for decades.
jfc its sad to see that the nato brainworms have fully consumed Torvalds
Yikes. I recommend reading this linked article too: Several Linux Kernel Driver Maintainers Removed Due To Their Association To Russia
This includes the maintainer of the Acer Aspire 1 EC driver, Cirrus Logic CLPS711X ARM architecture, Baikal-T1 PVT hardware monitor driver, Libata PATA drivers, libata SATA AHCI Synopsys DWC controller drivers, ASCOT2E media drivers, MIPS Baikal-T1 platform driver, NTB IDT driver, PPTP driver, Renesas R-Car SATA driver, Renesas Super-H Ethernet Driver, and the UFS file-system. Just the maintainer entries are being removed and not the actual drivers themselves.
Here's the actual patch and some ensuing discussion on the mailing list: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Remove some entries due to various compliance requirements. - Greg Kroah-Hartman
I am surprised they are able to do this... is there not some sort of licensing requirement of attribution? I don't know the details of what "maintainer" status indicates. It sounds like they are being removed from the credits though. Or are they being removed from decision making power or ability to contribute going forward?
they are removed from their position of being publicly responsible for said drivers, which is separate from code attributions in the actual code files and the actual git commit log.
Ah thanks.
I wonder if they were polite enough to give the fired maintainers a private heads up before firing off the patch.
My question is how much of this is needing to comply with sanctions and how much of this is Linus being a russophobic ass
Wow, the Phoronix comments are actually pretty good? That's unexpected but nice to see
Anyway Linus seriously posted a huge L here.
probably what's going to finally get me to give a BSD a try. I don't think something like this has happened before and I am not feeling so good about riding it out.
Same, just needed a push and this serves as it. Hopefully software compatibility is good.
I've hated Torvalds ever since I experienced Git. Now I feel vindicated
The thorough dehumanization, conflating every single individual in other countries into a single enemy-image, is an obvious component of US preparation for a total global war. US war planners are spelling it out https://youtu.be/6vYV5kM1gyg?t=2213
Is there a fork or alternative to linux?
The short answer is "no".
A longer answer is that there is nothing stopping you from freezing the kernel here or the most recent LTS release and running it for eternity, but without the contributions of Valve, Red Hat, Ubuntu, and IBM, it will just be a scuffed and increasingly insecure version of linux.
There doesn't seem to be much momentum behind schisming the kernel from here, and without dedicated devs, any fork is just a website.
There is FreeBSD whose guts are robust enough that is was used as the base for the PS4 OS. However, MIT licensing means that short of a Sony Hack or bankruptcy that code is never seeing the light of day. It's mostly functional for everything except gaming in a typical use case.
There is FreeBSD whose guts are robust enough that is was used as the base for the PS4 OS
I second this on using FreeBSD. With some tweaks, it can be used with Steam/Proton for gaming on PC. See this video for more info: https://youtu.be/vQpI7SU921A
The video maker is using a FreeBSD variant called NomadBSD which is a live USB that has automatic hardware detection - https://nomadbsd.org/
HyperbolaBSD and its kernel HyperBK (derivative of the BSD kernel) are expected to be in alpha soon-ish. This is heavily principled, everything remotely proprietary straight to the trash stuff, so the end result is you're sacrificing access to a lot of common software.
A few years back I tried Hyperbola on the linux kernel for maybe a year. Essentially all of the issues I had were with not having access to software I wanted. If I'm sticking to software in the repositories I had no real problems with it.
What basically every issue boiled down to was: Common software X has some issue in its licensing (I never understood the technicalities of any of this stuff, so please don't ask) that maintainers of common distros are fine ignoring because they consider the the licensing issues minor and lots of things require X as a dependency. Software Y is much earlier in development, but can functionally replace most of the features we want from software X, and has no problems in its licensing. We'll use software Y and adapt the software in our repositories around that. But even if those adaptations are generally not big changes, as you get more and more software in the repos, the effort required from maintainers adds up. Because they're limited on time and funding, the end result is a lot of repository pruning.
I would bet someone with a little technical knowledge could get a lot of software outside of the repos working without a lot of effort, but I am not that someone. Honestly, it was a good OS, I did okay with what software they had available until texlive was removed from the repos. I type up math notes, so that was a backbreaker for me.
I will say that their firefox derivative, IceWeaselUXP, was maybe the best experience I've had with a web browser, but I've read from a few people that getting it working on other distros is too much effort.
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