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[–] 224 points 2 years ago (25 children)

More like it shows dangers of using only one provider for almost all IT infrastructure.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 years ago* (11 children)

    Because if everyone used cash, schedule systems, records systems, communication systems around the world, breakdown still.

    If there's a verity of software vendors used in these systems, and financial systems, you don't get simultaneous global breakdowns any more.

    Basically. Using cash won't prevent this from happening. Using several interoperable software providers and systems will.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago* (9 children)

    Using cash won't prevent this from happening.

    I mean yeah, that’s why I said both, not just cash. I carry some cash on me because you never know. I’d also like to see less monopolization of just about everything because it makes for single points of failure. Diversifying your payment methods by including the potential for cash also helps.

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  • [–] 63 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    There's more to it. The mono-culture is one thing, but rolling out the update to millions of computers on the same days sounds like a bad idea.

    Fun fact in 2008, with nuclear submarines, the mono-culture was not that bad yet.

    It's interesting to note the UK went with a Windows XP variant and not Windows Vista, which is marketed as the more reliable OS. The USA never made the same calculations: The American Navy runs on Linux.

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    [–] 68 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    *global IT outage shows dangers of monopolies.

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  • [–] 56 points 2 years ago (23 children)

    One problem no one has mentioned, is that it also makes life a lot harder for homeless people. I guess they need to open a bank account and start writing their account number on a cardboard.

    This actually reminds me of when I went to a restaurant a while ago. I had some physical money to spend, so I figured I'd take it with me and pay with that. At the end of the meal, while my friends paid with a card, I asked if I could pay with cash. Immediately, the waiter's demeanor changed and he looked almost... disgusted? I don't even know. Then he asked me in a tone that matched his expression if I didn't have a card, and I answered something like "Well, I do, but it would be more convenient for me to pay with cash, if that's okay". Then he, for some reason, repeated the question, and I answered similarly. He didn't say anything and just avoided looking at me. While a friend next to me was paying I asked again, "so, can I pay with cash?", and without looking at me, he just barely shook his head yes. So I paid with cash, and then I awaited my 3€ change back (in my country it's not usually custom to tip because waiters actually get paid full salaries). Eventually he came back with our receipt, but no change. I just left without saying anything - at this point I wasn't going to argue about 3€ - but I'm most definitely not coming back to that place.

    Still don't know what the dude's problem was, but it did leave me wondering how are homeless people expected to pay for anything, if even a person who isn't homeless can receive such cold treatment just for choosing to pay with cash.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    One problem no one has mentioned, is that it also makes life a lot harder for homeless people. I guess they need to open a bank account and start writing their account number on a cardboard.

    And you need a permanent address for a bank account. Unfortunately, that's a feature of the cashless movement not a bug. Anything to make the lives of people experiencing homelessness harder.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    One problem no one has mentioned, is that it also makes life a lot harder for homeless people.

    But to those who organise those systems, they're not consumers with disposable income or a credit line to spend. They are happy for them to fall through the cracks and people not using cash penalises them further by eradicating charity and widening divisions.

    It is functioning as designed.

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    [–] 46 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    cashless society is a really stupid idea. it's not worth sacrificing privacy and stability for a tiny bit of convenience.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Maybe if somebody needs something we could just give it to them.

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    [–] 38 points 2 years ago (28 children)

    No, that is not correct. Global outage shows the dangers of centralized systems would be a better headline. Monero Worked all day throughout the entire outage with no problems.

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    [–] 35 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Agreed. I would love to see a law requiring businesses to accept cash where possible. That sort of law already exists at state and local levels in the US, would like to see it adopted in the UK.

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    [–] 35 points 2 years ago

    I think it is important to have cash as a backup.

    A couple of years ago there were some issues with card reading terminals in Germany. Due to a faulty security certificate these card reading terminals were not operational for about a whole month. Many stores were affected, because they almost all use ones from the same manufacturer. The only reason why it wasn't such a big deal was that people were carrying cash around anyway and were able to switch the method of payment easily. Having cash worked as a backup.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    One of the biggest rules in IT is always have a backup.

    A cashless society has no backup.

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    What good is cash gonna do if the networked cash register doesn't open anymore?

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    A cashless society is so stupid beyond words. In order to create one you must also create a full surveillance society to protect it, and even that would be ineffective to stop it from being hacked.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Just to be clear we are a mostly cashless society and the majority of currency is not physically in existence around the world and somehow it manages to be protected by and large.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Totally. My petrol station allowed me to pay in seashells while everyone else were just standing around complaining, was kinda nice

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It would be fine if not everyone had the same exact setup. Also you can have cashless payments why still supporting cash. They aren't mutually exclusive

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Even cash breaks down pretty quickly in a hypothetical situation where you have something similar occur that lasts for an extended period. When banks' systems are impacted, how do I get more cash from my account with them when whatever amount I had when the system went down runs out? I haven't had a physical passbook for an account in a good 20 years.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    One EMP and ** Poof ** It's all gone

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    [–] 12 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    Can't remember which one but credit cards were offline for a time with something and places that still had the carbon paper roller things stashed away took them out and used them. They should keep those things around.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Serious privacy issues around copying cards. That means the store has to retain a physical copy of the full embossed card number.

    There were boxes full of them in the backroom.

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Me, wanting to abolish currency entirely...

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I'm biased. I hate digital money for stalkerware.

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I’m not in favor of a cashless society but looking at how Apple and Google are pushing their wallets (and how practical it is) you guys need to come to piece with the fact that cash might die with the millennial generation. Most Gen X don’t have / want a physical wallet and money needs to be digital.

    With that said, I believe this Crowdstrike fiasco just proved that the biggest threat to IT lies inside the companies themselves and on the managers who decide to use this kind malware without properly understanding the risks. Yes, I’ve said it and I’ll say it again Crowdstrike is malware, anything that messes with Windows at that level is malware, there’s no other description and shouldn’t be allowed by Microsoft to exist.

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Achieving a moneyless society after one big overlong network outage.

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