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[–] 44 points 2 years ago (44 children)

As an artist, I like having the ability to tell people they cannot host my commercial works, cannot claim my own writing or characters for themselves, cannot reproduce them for profit, need my permission to sell them.

I think copyright abuse is rampant and favors corporate entities far too much in most countries, but I think the solution is reform not destruction of the system.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 2 years ago (26 children)

    I'm more open to burning the whole edifice of copyright law down than you are, but the key reform that I want that maybe we could agree on is that it should be legal to distribute coprighted works for free. No need to to let someone else try to make a profit by undercutting your sales, but if someone is willing to make and distribute copies (or ecopies) of a work to no profit for themselves they should be allowed to. What that would mean in practice if it was legal would be an online content library containing all human art and culture, freely available for download to all comers. It might hurt the income of some creators, but you'd still have a lot of other ways to make money that don't entail depriving people of that library.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    You can have that library today (see: Project Gutenberg), just on a delay. The problem, IMO, is that the delay is much too long. If copyright only lasted 10 years, it would be much more useful as a store of human knowledge. We could even allow an application for a longer term for smaller creators who need more time to monetize their works.

    That's pretty close to how it used to work in the US, it has just been twisted by large orgs like Disney and the RIAA.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Yeah Project Gutenberg really demonstrates how this is all pretty much already built, just illegal to include recent works in. Though of course that's just books where the post copyright free library could also include all other art and culture such as tv, radio, movies, images, games, etc

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Sure, and there's no reason it can't include other art and culture, like TV shows, radio programs, etc. The main issue is the length of time before those become legal to redistribute. It sucks that only movies made in the early 1900s are legal to redistribute, when the most culturally relevant works are still 50+ years away from entering the public domain.

    So we should be looking at shortening that time, trying to end copyright entirely isn't going to happen.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Shortening the time is good, and adjusting it while it still does apply to allow for more legal free sharing of the work.

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  • The problem is that copyright owners are concerned about losing sales, they care much less whether you're making a profit on that lost sale.

    One thing I think we should do is require stores to allow transfer of copyright. So if I buy a game or movie, I should be able to give that game or movie to someone else. I would no longer have access to it, so it would be like giving a physical disk or whatever.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Do you like suing people in a court of law to enforce these rights?

    What if in a world of billions of people someone makes stories or characters similar to yours. Should you sue them? What if they sue you and have better lawyers and more money. Are you prepared to go to court?

    I think you are experiencing a sunken cost fallacy. Unless you have the time and money to enforce copyright then it will never work for you, only against you.

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    The notion that every person has to somehow protect their works for all of their life and beyond the grave is obviously dumb and purely favors corporations at the cost of pitting artists against themselves and fans.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Let's not forget that copyright enforcement is mostly funded by taxpayers. It's a collectively massive cost to the rest of us.

    It probably made sense for a limited time when we (society) were getting something of comparable value (cultural works) in return. But now that it's effectively endless, and dominated by corporations, it looks an awful lot like systematic extraction of wealth... from us.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Well, I guess we'll never see any developments in mathematics or theoretical physics. No copyright there except journals paywalling our work and paying us absolutely nothing. Oh wait...

    We live in an era of copyblight - it's an era we won't leave until the caveman mentality of "this mine, no touch or I hurt" fizzles out. Give it another 5000 or so years maybe?

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We need more examples?

    Seriously, though, there are options in between keeping copyright as it is and removing it altogether. Shortening the term is one. Mandatory mechanical licensing is another (that is, allowing people to make copies for a fee set by the government or a nonpartisan board without requiring permission from the copyright owner, who does, however, receive the fee—the trick is setting the fee at a level that makes it reasonable for the average person making a single copy, but still high enough to make it unattractive for corporations churning out millions of them). We also need to overhaul how derivative works are handled, and some aspects of trademark law.

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  • Another option is to not allow copying of digital copyrighted works, but do allow resale/gifting and require storefronts to offer something like that. I can do that with physical goods, and that's most of the reason I'd want to copy a copyrighted work (e.g. to send to a friend).

    I think trademark law is generally fine as-is, but patent and copyright law are atrocious. My proposal:

    • cut copyright to the original 14 year term (or perhaps 10), and allow a one-time renewal if you can prove financial hardship (e.g. small creators who didn't get traction with their product)
    • cut patents to 7 years, and allow a one-time renewal of 5 years when going to market (so max 12 years if it takes 7 years to bring a product to market); maybe an exception if the product is stuck with regulators
    • don't require lawsuits to keep trademark, only require filing of a potential violation with the trademark office; you can sue, but that shouldn't be necessary to "defend" your trademark
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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Well I for one have never heard about anybody doing anything creative without being paid for it.
    /s

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    This title is actually false under some logical fallacy. It should be "Yet more examples of copyright destroying culture rather than driving it."

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    As a non English speaker, I can't tell the difference. Might be the same for OP.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Exists culture Exists copyright s.t. copyright 'destroys' culture and not copyright 'drives' culture.

    I mean, you're putting an implied universal where the author is only offering existential. That one is on you!

    "Copyright always destroys culture" would have the universal quantifier you object to.

    Of course, both of these results are formally undecided, mostly because 'drives' is not well defined nor decidable in itself!

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Any monopoly incentive does, it's the same in developing countries with monopolized industries - people need them, so they keep paying, people don't have choice, so they don't leave, and no competition arises because of cronyism.

    Thus, say, utility companies in Armenia are such crap. Actually any companies in Armenia, it's thoroughly oligopolized to the degree that locals think it's all fine, because it's all the same. Living in Armenia is as expensive as living near Moscow, while wages, eh, are definitely not the same. What I don't understand is the locals' stubborn belief that they can make things better without changing the society where oligopolies, things working via acquaintances, theft being socially acceptable, bendable rules and no responsibility are usual ; I suspect envy for people explaining why they can't is a reason too.

    Why did I type this ...

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

    Another concerns equity and accessibility:

    removal of more than 500,000 books from public access is a serious blow to lower-income families, people with disabilities, rural communities, and LGBTQ+ people, among many others.

    so low-income people in the argument are pretty obvious

    how about people with disabilities or rural communities? why are they there? do they have easier access to libraries than bookstore?

    and what the hell are lgbt people doing there? do they read disproportionately more more than average non-lgbt population, or why are they singled out?

    seems like this whole paragraph is just "lets throw in some minorities, no one can talk back at that" lame argument

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Libraries are safe spaces for minorities and the LGBTQ+ community. Books in general spread awareness and raise empathy and can also help struggling young people understand that they are not alone.

    That quote isn't saying people of these communities read or use a public library more than those who aren't; it's pointing out that the erasure of public safe spaces and resources affects groups that benefit from their existence more.

    All of that doesn't even mention the content that was likely present in those 500,000 books.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Libraries are safe spaces for minorities

    this text was primarily about digital archives, so i don't think this applies much

    can also help struggling young people understand that they are not alone.

    this does make sense, ok then.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    rural communities

    Online lending allows people in remote or rural places much more economical access to more titles than otherwise, even if they have access to a decent local library

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