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The key problem is that copyright infringement by a private individual is regarded by the court as something so serious that it negates the right to privacy. It’s a sign of the twisted values that copyright has succeeded on imposing on many legal systems. It equates the mere copying of a digital file with serious crimes that merit a prison sentence, an evident absurdity.

This is a good example of how copyright’s continuing obsession with ownership and control of digital material is warping the entire legal system in the EU. What was supposed to be simply a fair way of rewarding creators has resulted in a monstrous system of routine government surveillance carried out on hundreds of millions of innocent people just in case they copy a digital file.

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[–] [email protected] 186 points 4 months ago (5 children)

This is so stupid since several thousand devices can use one IP address. NAT exists.

If I download music in a Starbucks, can they fine the Starbucks CEO then?

Anyway I hope I hope online artists, and authors are able to use this to sue AI companies for stealing their copyrighted works.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

A good question… I suggest we all start torrenting new release movies and video games exclusively through Starbucks, because I want to know

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

You may bet your bollix on ("rest assured" in non-Dublin English) them having torrents blocked on their free WiFi.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

If I download music in a Starbucks, can they fine the Starbucks CEO then?

This sounds like the kind of grassroots activity I might be interested in.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The background is that French law requires ISPs to retain the IPs of their customer for some time. That way, an IP address can be associated with a customer.

If I download music in a Starbucks, can they fine the Starbucks CEO then?

A CEO is an employee. You generally can't sue employees for this sort of thing. It may be possible to sue the company as a whole for enabling the copyright infringement, but that's not to do with this case. Perhaps in the future, operators of WiFi-hotspots will be required to use something like Youtube's Content ID system.

Anyway I hope I hope online artists, and authors are able to use this to sue AI companies for stealing their copyrighted works.

They can use this to go after "pirates". It's got nothing to do with AI.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Starbucks can be pressured to require your personal information to connect to WiFi.

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[–] [email protected] 154 points 4 months ago (33 children)

lmao copyright isn't important

if copyright were abolished worldwide today, we'd be in a happier place. people who buy things generally want to buy from the official source anyway, those official sources might even have to cut prices or (god forbid!) have to make their services better to compete in the market

[–] [email protected] 86 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I don't want to see a end to copyright. I want it restored to what it was. Where the creator had a copyright for limited amount of time then everyone had a copyright to the work.

Now that time is beyond the amount of time that someone inspired by a copyrighted work could create some derivative of it. Unless you think someone inspired as a child would feel like bringing that inspiration to fulfilment as an elderly adult is going to happen often.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Humanity as we know it existed for ten of thousands of years without copyright. Copyright is the anti-thesis to creation. Everything humans create is iterative. Copyright along with the rest of intellectual property seeks to pervert creation for personal gain.

Art does not need copyright to survive and I would argue that intellectual property is not needed to promote the arts or science. It is designed to do the opposite which is limit creation to the benefit of the individual.

What makes this worse is the individual is now the corporation. Do you know that a lot of successful artists, particularly musicians, don't even own their own works?

Corporations benefit disproportionally by copyright. They have lobbied for decades to further pervert the flawed intention of copyright and intellectual property to the breaking point. Simply put, going down the road of trying to prove who created what was first is wrong.

Creation does not happen in a vacuum. Pretending that we create is isolation is farcical. We are great because of all those that came before us.

The telephone was invented by multiple people. The Wright brothers had European counterparts. These issues around intellectual copyright are a lot more complex than we are ready to admit.

We have billions of people now. Stop trying to pretend any idea, drawing, tune, or writing is unique. Rude wake up call, it is not.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Thank you, I seldom see my own thoughts laid out so clearly. As a practitioner of the Dark Arts (marketing), this union of commerce and art is a foul bargain. I think it's time the two had some time apart to work on themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Copyright was never about defending the creators, its origin is the industrial revolution and it was a tool of companies to protect "their" inventions (the ones of their workers actually). It was NEVER about defending the small person who actually creates things.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (16 children)

My ideal copyright would be 15 years or death of the creator or the end of sale/support, whichever is earlier. That would mean that Portal 2 has copyright and Portal doesn’t, which sounds about right.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

cut prices

There you have your answer to the question you didn't ask, but you know what I mean

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I know right? The very idea of copyright is so fucking abstract, absurd and far-fetched. For the most part, it amounts to:

"NOOOOO YOU CAN'T PLACE THE ATOMS IN THIS ORDER BECAUSE ANOTHER PERSON DID IT BEFORE YOU!!!11!1!1!" (When it comes to scientific or engineering parents)

"NOOOO YOU CAN'T MAKE A SURFACE REFLECT THE PHOTONS LIKE THAT, OR EMIT THEM IN THAT PATTERN. THE RIGHT TO DO THAT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE!!!1!!1!" (When it comes to pictoric arts)

"NOOO YOU CAN'T MAKE THE AIR VIBRATE AT THOSE FREQUENCIES IN THAT PATTERN, SOMEONE DID IT BEFORE YOU AND THEY'RE PAYING ME SO YOU CAN'T DO IT TOO!!!" (Music)

"NOOO YOU CAN'T PUT LETTERS IN THAT ORDER!! THAT'S ILLEGAL, ANOTHER PERSON DID IT BEFORE!!" (Text and code)

So yeah, fuck that shit

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Copyright protects creators and prevents monopolies from abusing the system. Imagine you write a movie to sell and Amazon steals that exact movie but uses their resources to market it as their own and sell over seas.

You tell me in what world that sounds fair. Only a moron thinks a free market economy actually works.

Another example is assuming companies act in good faith to protect the market. History has shown that not only do corporations NOT care about rules and regulations but they actively act in the interests of investors and profits.

It is up to the courts to fix the abuse of the current copyright system and unfortunately they also act in the interests of profits.

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 4 months ago (4 children)

If copyright is sacrosanct then the creation of data by me is my own personal property and without a contract anyone holding my data is in violation.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago

Afraid to upvote this in case someone later attempts to prove I viewed this data with my eyes

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Every single person in the EU needs to sue on these grounds.

Also fuck this corporatist statist bullshit. Why the fuck do people keep voting in authoritarians?

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Great... so we're reaffirming that society's various structures exist purely for the benefit of monied interests, as ever. Any benefit the regular person sees from arrangements is purely coincidental, your rights stop at the point at which a corporation needs them to.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I really don't see how this doesn't conflict with GDPR.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

GDPR has plenty provisions where other laws or considerations may be more relevant than it, negating it in such cases.

I still do think the GDPR is extremely important, but it is no silver bullet,sadly.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Property rights being valued above human rights is kind of a mainstay of capitalism.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago

Copyright imbues the creation with a level of uniqueness that is greatly exaggerated
Given a set of facts & tools people will come to similar or identical conclusions
So What?
Should that entitle you to be a gatekeeper forever?

Humans have an urge for legacy. Legacy is probably the most destructive of human traits, it manifest as hoarding a bunch of resources, having as many children as possible, being noticed, being "famous". The last two are having your legacy NOW

Legacy is self preservation exaggerated to extremes

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Lets see Courts opinion on ~~AI~~ LLMs.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

Hold on, let them check their bank accounts first.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I feel like we're rapidly moving into a world where a regular person copying anything from a corporation results in summary execution by the copyright police but the corporations can scoop up literally every single piece of content we create without consiquence.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The EU and the digital world: sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shit. In Spanish we say 'una de cal y otra de arena'.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago

It doesn’t seem like the ruling says copyright concerns justify overriding a right to anonymity under GDPR, but that the right to anonymity doesn’t exist in the first place.

I think that’s probably a better place to be, because it means they can legislate a right to anonymity.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Fuck there aint

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