Not sure if this is the right community, but I didn't see a general one. What search engine do you use? Besides Google increasingly spying on its users, the quality of its search results seems to have gotten significantly worse over the last decade. What search engine(s) do you use?

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[–] 70 points 2 years ago (1 child)
  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Does anyone care to explain the possible reason for downvoting this - is there something I am not aware of wrt DDG?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Thank you for explaining! And now I am getting downvoted for asking an honest question, so that I can learn more, sheesh. Ignoring the fact for the moment that the Fediverse is becoming more Reddi-fied all the time... I appreciate you actually taking the time to answer.

    I actually swap back and forth between Google and DDG. For things like local business hours, Image search and Maps, the former finds the better results. For a few things (that it may consider piracy?), Google refuses to find results even on page 10. For most other things, while the SEOs may not have entirely taken over, they at least have risen to an extremely annoying prominence.

    e.g. try searching for the word "inspire", and rather than offer you the dictionary definition, the top hit (for me right now) is the "Inspire" sleep apnea innovation - which nowhere is labelled as an advertisement:-(. I understand that the latter company would like to subvert the normal rules of politeness & etiquette and replace my prioritization so that their name appears at the very tippy-top of the search (possibly locally, or perhaps even world-wide?), but that doesn't mean that that is what *I* wanted. Which is why more & more often these days I go to DDG first and then Google, rather than the other way around which is what I did until very recently.

    But yeah, sometimes I do legit use Google search too.

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  • [–] 61 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    I've begun to pay for Kagi.com

    I wouldn't say that it "blows my mind" or anything, but simply that it seems to work as expected (which is more than what I can say for Google). There's also a "Fediverse" button on Kagi.com, so it can search lemmy.world (and more??).

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'm just annoyed by the regions issues, you'll get pretty biased results depending in what region you select.
    If you try to search for something specific to a region with other selected you'll find sometime empty results, which shows you won't get relevant results about a search if you don't properly select the region.

    Probably this is more obvious with non technical searches, for example my default region is canada-en and if I try "instituto nacional electoral" I only get a wiki page, an international site and some other random sites with no news, only when I change the region I get the official page ine.mx and news. For me this means kagi hides results from other regions instead of just boosting the selected region's ones.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I use my own self hosted SearXNG.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’ve heard enough bad things about it to stay well away. Which is too bad bc it’s quite good atm! I just expect it to hoover up my data & get enshittified sooner than later & the CEO is Musk-level BSer 🤷‍♂️👍

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What have you heard and where? I've not seen anything that indicates either of those things

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I don't know about beefbot, but this blog convinced me to not use kagi:

    Why I Lost Faith in Kagi

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago

    I use Ecosia, it plants trees with the profits from its ad revenue! Results are sourced from Bing and Google.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Let me know if you find one that uses AI to find groupings of my search terms in its catalogues instead of using AI to reduce my search to the nearest common searches made by others, over some arbitrary popularity threshold.

    Theoretical search: "slip banana peel 1980s comedy movie"
    Expected results in 2010: Pages about people slipping on banana peels, mostly in comedy movies, mostly from the 80s.
    Expected results in 2024: More than I ever wanted to know about buying bananas online, the health impacts of eating too many or not enough bananas, and whatever "celebrities" have recently said something about them. Nothing about movies from the 80s.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    The first result on Kagi search is this list which shows the movie years in parentheses so you can easily skip through just the ones from the 1980s. The other search results are more about the gag itself - first use of it by Charlie Chaplin, etc.

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    DuckDuckGo as a default with Google as fallback depending on what I'm looking for. For lemmy the default search of my instance works well enough so haven't tried external engines.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    I'm mainly using duckduckgo for 7 years now. If I can't find something with it, I try startpage, which sometimes helps.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I run my own searxng instance. It's amazing.

    I also spun up my own yacy instance. It was pretty terrible. It could be good, but you would need a pretty beefy machine with a lot of storage and a lot of time for it to index for it to be anything approaching good.

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    [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ecosia. These days it's better than Google.

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    [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Kagi. I haven't had a failed search results in months, and when I do google can't find it either so I haven't lost anything.

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    Yesterdsy I stumbled over this: www.mojeek.com Apparently has its own index.

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    [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    A combination of SearXNG and Stract, for the most part. They're definitely not perfect (yet), but they mostly get the job done! And I think they both have a lot of cool filters and refinement settings that I haven't even taking advantage of so far.

    For niche stuff it seems like a lot of hyper targeted search engines are popping up, like Sepia Search for PeerTube.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Kagi.

    I know, I know... I just really like it.

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    [–] 6 points 2 years ago*

    Since you mentioned not knowing if this is the right community. For any question where you dont know where it goes !no_stupid_questions@programming.dev usually catches everything. Theres also some other question coms at !cs_career_questions@programming.dev and !ask_experienced_devs@programming.dev but theyre more specific. I can leave this one here though, its fine (especially since theres a bunch of info here now)

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    startpage.com or duckduckgo.

    Recently started using startpage and it seems pretty decent.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    I'm using Kagi. I find that it does a better job at finding "legitimate" sites rather than blogspam and content marketing. However I'm not sure I will stick with it a long time. I seems like it has mostly stalled and the team is getting distracted by making a browser, non-relevant AI (I have no problem with the few AI experiments tied to searching) and other side projects. We'll see. I really hope that they pull themselves together and focus or it might not last. But for now they seem like one of the better options available.

    Bing's new "Deep Search" where it has some sort of LLM refinement iteration process has also been helpful sometimes. Probably the best AI search product I have seen, but definitely doesn't replace most searches for me.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    MetaGer is a metasearch engine focused on protecting users’ privacy. Based in Germany, and hosted as a cooperation between the German NGO ‘SUMA-EV - Association for Free Access to Knowledge’ and the University of Hannover, the system is built on 24 small-scale web crawlers under MetaGer’s own control. In September 2013, MetaGer launched MetaGer.net, an English-language version of their search engine.

    Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaGer


    It currently supports the following languages/regions:

    Dansk (Danmark)

    Deutsch (Österreich/Schweiz/Deutschland)

    English (Great Britain/Ireland/Malaysia/USA)

    Español (España/México)

    Suomalainen (Suomi)

    Français (Canada/France)

    Italiano (Italia)

    Nederlands (Nederland)

    Polski (Polska)

    Svenska (Sverige)

    Source: https://metager.org/lang


    There is a TOR-hidden service too:

    https://metager.org/tor


    It is open source:

    https://gitlab.metager.de/open-source/MetaGer


    And has other useful features, for example:

    That you can hide yourself behind our proxyserver just by opening the result anonymously? Use “OPEN ANONYMOUSLY”; this also affects the following links.

    Source: https://metager.org/tips


    Alternatively I use some SearxNG-instances, preferably hosted in the EU:

    https://searx.space

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    I'm avoiding the major search engines. If I really need a search engine, I use DuckDuckGo. Most of the time, search forms of a few websites provide better results. I've bookmarked search forms of e.g. wikipedia, Wiktionary, the python docs, Arch Linux wiki, github, dict.leo.org, bug trackers of software I commonly use (such as Mozilla's bug tracker) and so on. I'm basically using Firefox's "keyword" search feature in the way DuckDuckGo's !bang syntax works.

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