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[–] 208 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (69 children)

The phrase "free speech platform" sounds like a giant, enormous dog whistle. Which is a damn shame, because I used to enjoy that place, and now I'm not sure I will anymore... Don't want to jump to conclusions, but is there ANY self-described "bastion of free speech on the internet" that is not a cesspool full of awful people? Just one?

I'm a white, heterosexual cis male in my 40s not living in the US, so this does not affect me in any way, shape or form directly, but it still feels just icky, unnecessary and tone-deaf. Guess I'll post photos of my succulents and my goofy dog just on Lemmy from now on, bummer...

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  • [–] 77 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    I think it is a dog whistle , here in India there are people who openly talk of genocide , homophobia and what not and call it their right to speech and expression !

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  • [–] 47 points 3 years ago

    The "funny" thing is that the moment those people have power they don't have a problem going against free speech (see having books banned (in the US) or trying to stop people from voicing their opinion (Meloni in Italy))

    It's all just exploiting the tolerance of the system in order to make it less tolerant That's why completely unchecked free speech is a bad idea as it will eventually lead in its complete demise

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago* (39 children)

    is there ANY self-described “bastion of free speech on the internet” that is not a cesspool full of awful people

    When you have a "free speech" policy, you attract principled free-speech advocates who want to discuss issues rather than shouting down unpopular opinions, a few people who are well-behaved and intelligent but write about ideas that the majority may find offensive or horrifying, and a whole bunch of people who got banned everywhere else for being rude and disruptive.

    The best-moderated such place that I've seen had a policy requiring politeness and high-effort posts, which kept out the third group.

    The second group can be tough to tolerate. Sometimes they're interesting, sometimes they're a Holocaust denier who cites references, and you look up those references and they appear to be real papers written by real academics, and you know this is all wrong but you're not a historian and even if you were you don't have time to address every issue in this guy's entire life's work and you just wish the topic never came up. But you can't keep out the second group unless you compromise your principles as a member of the first group.

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    [+] 128 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)
  • [–] 93 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (73 children)

    This seems to be the reason for the change (jayclees is the creator and admin of the site):

    https://ibb.co/48hY8fm

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  • [–] 48 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    honestly reading this, it just sounds to me like he isn't cut out for community management. It is stressful and hard sometimes, so I get it, but he's going to kill his own site doing this. I did wonder about this before - it seemed like to me he regularly made changes based on feedback on a whim, and these changes were often rushed without much thinking. Needs to know when to pass the baton elsewhere and stick to development, but alas...

    The last comments also speak to someone who's probably hiding some contrarian views of his own.

    Shame.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago

    LGBT people: "We have a right to exist."

    'Free speech absolutists': "Ugh, take your political bullshit someplace else."

    No idea how people think this is a valid way to talk about people literally fighting for their right to simply be present in public spaces without people attacking their very being.

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    [–] 61 points 3 years ago

    They also removed the admins who disagreed with this decision. Jayclees and Daniel are the only "staff" left now. This is a really bad look for them.

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  • [–] 59 points 3 years ago* (10 children)

    Literally why would you go to this website over Reddit. It has all the same problems and is just more boring.

    "Free speech" is just a dog whistle and gas lighting now. Unless it's fully allowing illegal content, then it's not free speech, which is obviously sane to not allow. That's why its a silly term to throw around in the first place.

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    [–] 42 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I don't understand what I'm looking at here? Some reddit-ish place is declaring free-speech then they immediately backpedal and say racist stuff doesn't count, and also some admins left? So what is the material difference between a "free speech platform*" and lemmy which also doesn't allow racist stuff?

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  • [–] 31 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    It sounds like they’re going to be allowing anti-LGBT hate speech, which was formerly a ban-worthy offense on their platform. Reddit and most Lemmy instances have rules against this, so I imagine Squabblr is going to attract the same sort of people that like using Truth Social.

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    [–] 37 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Squabblr*

    They had a mid 2000s rebranding.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Voat any% speedrun WR (glitchless)

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    [–] 34 points 3 years ago

    Sounds like they are going to speed run what happen with Voat.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I wonder why of all bad things they make an exception specifically for racism and not something else like pedophilia for example.

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    [–] 32 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I left a month ago because it was clear they were going this way. Glad I'm here

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    [–] 29 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    I'm really confused by this direction? The admin seemed... nice, and all of the users were "let's all be friends and be postivive x!" type people. Not exactly the place for "free speech" dog wistle folks. He's just going to alienate his entire userbase, I don't understand the point.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I hope people know that us all having instances would always be better than anything centralized elsewhere. 1) I can delete all my posts if I want. 2) anyone can make a better app to talk to it. 3) we got so many different ways of sharing our free speech here, it's not even funny. 4) you can backup your stuff. I'm not, but you can do that if you serve your own server. 5) you can establish your own rules or land on someone else's server that you trust.

    At this point you gotta be a lower form of life to conclude that going centralized is good for anyone.

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    [–] 27 points 3 years ago

    And this is why federation is great.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    Somewhere for the Trumpers to go when Truthsocial falls on its arse.

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    [–] 23 points 3 years ago

    so basically 4chan without the racial slurs

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  • [–] 21 points 3 years ago

    We’re “free speech” except these first 4 categories we could name off the top of our heads. There will never be any reason to add to this list. Adding to that list wouldn’t be “free speech”!

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago

    Well, they're being true to their namesake, I'll give them that.

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