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[–] 91 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Material science has just been crushing it for a good long minute now.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    There are materials possible that will completely change the world.

    Theres probably a room temperature superconductor for example.

    The number of possibilities is effectively infinite though, since its not just which atoms, but also how they're arranged.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Theres probably a room temperature superconductor for example.

    I thought that one was a no go? Did I miss more news?

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    As in, one probably exists but has not been discovered yet. Every year scientists get them running closer and closer to room temperature

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Even just getting above the boiling temp of liquid nitrogen is a really big deal. Liquid helium is something we will eventually run out of and is largely dependent on fossil fuel extraction to be collected. Helium can't be recaptured after it escapes an open loop cooling system.

    LN2 is so much cheaper to run and it's sustainable. We'll never run out of Nitrogen so long as there's power to cool it. LN2 is cheaper than craft beer.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    There was one team fairly recently that thought they had developed one that got a lot of press, but it turned out to not be true.

    But that was only for that one specific case, it didn't prove that room temperature superconductors can't exist in general, there are still other teams working on developing them, and theoretically they could be possible, we just haven't quite worked out what materials will exhibit superconductivity at room temperature, under what circumstances, and how to make them.

    And we have some materials that come pretty damn close, Lanthanum decahydride can exhibit superconductivity at temperatures just a few degrees colder than some home freezers can manage (although at very high pressures)

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  • [–] 77 points 2 years ago* (22 children)

    There have been constant news articles coming out over the past few years claiming the next big thing in supercapacitor and battery technologies. Very few actually turn out to work practically.

    The most exciting things to happen in the last few years (from an average citizen's perspective) are the wider availability of sodium ion batteries (I believe some power tools ship with them now?), the continued testing of liquid flow batteries (endless trials starting with the claim that they might be more economic) and the reduction in costs of lithium-ion solid state batteries (probably due to the economics of electric car demand).

    FWIW the distinction between capacitors and batteries gets blurred in the supercapacitor realm. Many of the items sold or researched are blends of chemical ("battery") and electrostatic ("capacitor") energy storage. The headline of this particular pushes the misconception that these concepts can't mix.

    My university login no longer works so I can't get a copy of the paper itself :( But from the abstract it looks first stage, far from getting excited about:

    This precise control over relaxation time holds promise for a wide array of applications and has the potential to accelerate the development of highly efficient energy storage systems.

    "holds promise" and "has the potential" are not miscible with "May Be the Beginning of the End for Batteries".

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I've been seeing a lot about Sodium-ion just in the past week.

    While they seem to have a huge advantage in being able to charge and discharge at some fairly eye-watering rates, the miserable energy density would seem to limit them to stationary applications, at least for now.

    Perfect for backup power, load shifting, and other power-grid-tied applications though.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    They've also got much better lifespans, being able to cycle many more times with less capacity loss. As they currently stand, they're much better choices for stationary storage applications. However, I have seen them implemented in power tools and cars for their discharge rates, but it doesn't hurt that they will stay healthy for longer.

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    [–] 71 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Serious question: How is this different than all the other sensationalized headlines about some technology that's gonna change everything, and then you later hear nothing about it?

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I had a little discussion with a guy complaining about sodium batteries and how you keep hearing these wild claims and then nothing. I did a quick search and saw an article about a $2 billion partnership agreement to work on a pilot plant for sodium batteries. He claimed it was yet another sensational headline and doubted anything would happen from it. Less than a week later I saw an article about a plant in America being announced.

    This stuff is hard. It's not like Master of Orion where you throw money at a specific research and get access upon completion. Different groups around the world are researching a multitude of different ideas, some related, and after a while a bunch of these ideas are combined and associated and researched, and all of a sudden you have a new product that's significantly different from what was available before. And then you see incremental improvements for decades, not unlike the internal combustion engine or rechargeable lithium batteries.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's the same with many infrastructure problems. You hear about some interesting infrastructure project that's going to transform regional travel, improve transit, make biking/walking safer, or prepare for future natural disasters. Then it takes forever for them to go into place because it takes a long time to plan, do the legal work, and build. But then the infrastructure goes into place and no one thinks twice about the long process behind it.

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    [–] 67 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Although we don't see it, all of these developments do actually eventually make their way into battery tech. The batteries of today are not the batteries of 2014.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago* (9 children)

    If you remember what battery powertools were like in early 2010s, it's super obvious how far we've come. The higher end things like battery powered lawn mowers didn't exist, and if you wanted real power, you needed a cord.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I still remember that in the 90s till the 2000s you would get maybe 60 to 90 minutes of battery life out of a new laptop. Then it jumped to 4 or more hours thanks to better batteries, more energy efficient CPUs and displays.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It’s not what the article says. Still interesting application of mixed 2D/3D technologies. Always hopeful that these energy developments leave the lab though.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Headline is dumb. If capacitors are better at being batteries than batteries are, they just become the next generation of batteries.

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  • [–] 84 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    But capacitors aren’t batteries. Batteries store chemical energy. Capacitors store electrical potential energy. Electronically they behave much differently.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yes they do… including not holding a charge when the differential drops too far.

    The real wins are in battery-backed capacitors. Charge the caps fast, then let them keep the batteries topped up.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    Only for certain types of capacitors. In practice they can overlap quite a bit, especially with common aluminium electrolytic capacitors (these form & dissolve complex aluminium oxide & hydroxide layers on the plates).

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    Headline is not dumb. There are reasons to make a distinction between the two, the most salient one being that capacitors are several orders of magnitude faster to charge and discharge.

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    [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I wonder why I even read these articles. If these do turn out to be useful it will eventually make its way into technologies I use or buy near me. I don't have to hunt them out.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

    Electrolytic capacitors are closer to batteries than to non-polarized capacitors. Lithium-ion cells in capacitor housings also exist, presumably to evade tariffs and restrictions involved in shipping batteries.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Electrolytic capacitors use the chemistry to make a very high dielectric allowing the plates to get very close and increase the capacitance and decrease the size.

    A cell in a battery is a capacitor then converts the charge on the plates into chemical energy and vice versa allowing much more energy storage and a flat operating range as the plates charge is replenished by the chemical reaction.

    This article doesn't go into details but it sounds like the breakthrough is a much better dialectic then storing energy in a chemical reaction.

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    [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    There are no absolute numbers in here. How much charge can it hold? How does that compare to an AAA battery? How long can it hold the charge and how does it compare? What dimensions would it need to have to store as much as a AAA battery? What's the current projected price?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I can't wait to see this technology in motorcycles and micro mobility vehicles. It will be a mushroom in Mario Kart IRL. And imagine this tech on drag bikes/cars

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    I wonder if we will get to a point where capacitor batteries will be too good.

    Can you image a small issue leading to an entire instantaneous energy dump of a large capacity capacitor while on an airplane?

    Make me wonder if we will limit how fast a capacitor can discharge in some consumer goods.

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    [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    Hell yeah that's freaking awesome

    I hope to see these become popular someday and with that kind of increase they're likely to get a shit ton of funding

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