▲ 22 ▼ How does sort by hot work? (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by Docus@lemmy.world to c/voyagerapp@lemmy.world 8 comments fedilink hide all child comments When sorting by hot, I get posts with 1 upvote and no comments near the top. And it is above a post from the same community (nieuws) that has 2 upvotes. Seems to be broken.
[–] PixelAlchemist@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s calculated using the current score (up/down votes) in combination with how new it is. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/main/migrations/2023-10-23-184941_hot_rank_greatest_fix/up.sql permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Docus@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks. Not done the maths (yet) but that seems heavily biased towards new posts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yep, intentionally so. When someone asks about "the hottest fashions," they don't care about what was hot then years ago, they mean what's hot right now. So it's recent posts that are getting a lot of positive attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also, FWIW, I’m fairly sure Voyager doesn’t do the sorting, but rather, the instances themselves do it using Lenny’s built in algorithm. So there is nothing Voyager can do about the calculation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Right, the sort algorithms are on the Lemmy side permalink fedilink source parent [–] Docus@lemmy.world [S] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I agree with your definition of hot. My view is that a 10 minute old post with a single upvote does not meet that definition. The one upvote a post gets when it is created does not mean positive interaction. Too much bias towards new and not enough towards upvote count. Edit: This lemmy doc confirms it is intentional. And a lemmy issue, not voyager specific. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ytsedude@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So what is a good alternative? "Scaled?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Docus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago* Probably not. Scaled is just hot with a correction for community active user count, see the doc I linked earlier for the details. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Docus@lemmy.world [S] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks. Not done the maths (yet) but that seems heavily biased towards new posts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yep, intentionally so. When someone asks about "the hottest fashions," they don't care about what was hot then years ago, they mean what's hot right now. So it's recent posts that are getting a lot of positive attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also, FWIW, I’m fairly sure Voyager doesn’t do the sorting, but rather, the instances themselves do it using Lenny’s built in algorithm. So there is nothing Voyager can do about the calculation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Right, the sort algorithms are on the Lemmy side permalink fedilink source parent [–] Docus@lemmy.world [S] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I agree with your definition of hot. My view is that a 10 minute old post with a single upvote does not meet that definition. The one upvote a post gets when it is created does not mean positive interaction. Too much bias towards new and not enough towards upvote count. Edit: This lemmy doc confirms it is intentional. And a lemmy issue, not voyager specific. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ytsedude@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So what is a good alternative? "Scaled?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Docus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago* Probably not. Scaled is just hot with a correction for community active user count, see the doc I linked earlier for the details. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yep, intentionally so. When someone asks about "the hottest fashions," they don't care about what was hot then years ago, they mean what's hot right now. So it's recent posts that are getting a lot of positive attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also, FWIW, I’m fairly sure Voyager doesn’t do the sorting, but rather, the instances themselves do it using Lenny’s built in algorithm. So there is nothing Voyager can do about the calculation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Right, the sort algorithms are on the Lemmy side permalink fedilink source parent [–] Docus@lemmy.world [S] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I agree with your definition of hot. My view is that a 10 minute old post with a single upvote does not meet that definition. The one upvote a post gets when it is created does not mean positive interaction. Too much bias towards new and not enough towards upvote count. Edit: This lemmy doc confirms it is intentional. And a lemmy issue, not voyager specific. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ytsedude@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So what is a good alternative? "Scaled?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Docus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago* Probably not. Scaled is just hot with a correction for community active user count, see the doc I linked earlier for the details. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also, FWIW, I’m fairly sure Voyager doesn’t do the sorting, but rather, the instances themselves do it using Lenny’s built in algorithm. So there is nothing Voyager can do about the calculation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Right, the sort algorithms are on the Lemmy side permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Right, the sort algorithms are on the Lemmy side permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Docus@lemmy.world [S] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I agree with your definition of hot. My view is that a 10 minute old post with a single upvote does not meet that definition. The one upvote a post gets when it is created does not mean positive interaction. Too much bias towards new and not enough towards upvote count. Edit: This lemmy doc confirms it is intentional. And a lemmy issue, not voyager specific. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ytsedude@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So what is a good alternative? "Scaled?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Docus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago* Probably not. Scaled is just hot with a correction for community active user count, see the doc I linked earlier for the details. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ytsedude@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So what is a good alternative? "Scaled?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Docus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago* Probably not. Scaled is just hot with a correction for community active user count, see the doc I linked earlier for the details. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Docus@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 2 years ago* Probably not. Scaled is just hot with a correction for community active user count, see the doc I linked earlier for the details. permalink fedilink source parent
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