The Times unraveled a financial network that stretches from Chicago to Shanghai and uses American nonprofits to push Chinese talking points worldwide.

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[+] [S] 46 points 3 years ago* (5 children)
  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    If he's so socialist and far-left, why in the world would he support China? They're politically communist in name only, and economically capitalist.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago

    Well even though I'm old enough where I should have already known this term, my time on lemmy has introduced me to Tankies.

    My guess is this guy is a Tankie: if it has communism in it in any way shape or form then it's the most amazing thing ever and anything you say about it that would say otherwise is a dirty liberal lie.

    Something like that.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This is just another reason to add to the many as to why (if you ask me) we need to both

    a. To kill off the rich and...

    b. Kill off the CCP.

    Two wicked groups colluding against the common interests of keeping the world alive just so they can remain in power.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (20 children)
  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago (17 children)

    No, but it's scummy as fuck, and it's interesting that an American is pushing Chinese talking points.

    I think people are pretty well aware at this point that social engineering, on a macroscale, is extremely effective at changing people's views (albeit slowly). Look at what happened with Qanon, look how many people supported that. That was the dumbest thing I've ever seen, and people are STILL backing it even after it's been proven to not only be a sham, but run by a pedophile out of Southeast Asia. Imagine the damage that can be done by a disinformation or social engineering campaign backed by one of the largest nations in the world.

    We are currently in a culture war - the implications of it could change everyone's lives in the next couple of decades if we aren't careful.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 years ago (14 children)

    Doesn’t the U.S. do this in other countries? If America does it, and it’s not illegal, why can’t China? Weird that they didn’t mention that it’s legal in the article, right?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    This exchange reminds me of a key and peele sketch. Not illegal, but perfectly fine to admonish china for doing the thing that the us is constantly being admonished for, mx. Whataboutism.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    K&P are funny. It definitely is whataboutism. And China shouldn’t do it. But The NY Times fails to mention that it’s not illegal and other countries do this too. Is that good journalism?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    It’s scummy when the US does it.

    It’s scummy when China does it.

    I hope I could help you understand.

    I also would love to talk about anything China without someone coming up with the Yankees. JFC.

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  • [+] -9 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I do understand that all countries do bad things. But I’m not just going to hate China because The NY Times tells me to. Realize that the media carries water for the US State Department. There’s hundreds of reasons to criticize China, and we should. But not for doing something that other nations do. This has nothing to do with baseball.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Aaaaaaand even more whataboutism. Why do I even bother? 🤡

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  • [–] -4 points 3 years ago

    Maybe because you want to believe in American exceptionalism? Just because it’s whataboutism doesn’t mean it’s not true. You’re being manipulated to hate China vociferously by the state department and CIA and your reaction is, “Nuh-uh!”

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    I would like to learn more about what the U.S does to compete in the propaganda space. I worry about the fundamentally reduced agility in responding to competing powers that are much more centralized.

    As far as I can tell, private industry leads American interest and since the private ownership is still spread amongst these individuals owners, there doesn't seem to be a coordinated drive to spread propaganda without a more direct linkage to profit. However in other countries with more centralized power the national power can dictate the messaging and then private companies follow suit, which allows for a much more coordinated effort.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    You are completely and utterly correct. America can’t compete. While China has 5 and 50 year plans, America is rudderless (discounting the military). Our goals change every 2 to 4 years with new administrations. This is one of the reasons I believe America will inevitably go fascist and centralize control of the government in the coming years. It can’t compete with China’s economy and outreach. So it will adapt by imitation.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I think with evidence provided that they should have to register under FARA as foreign agents for China here to spread Chinese propaganda. I'm sure the writer of the article informed them.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Capitalism is global now and so is the internet. They don’t have to register because they’re not in America. The only way to stop this is to shut down the internet and isolate the country. This article is mad at China because it’s beating America with capitalism.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)
  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago

    Seems like China is doing anything and everything to avoid having its propaganda being labeled as such. No one will listen to Chinese propaganda if they know that's what it is.

    All 4 of these companies should have to register under FARA or face civil penalties.

    That final photo should be the nail in the coffin to force those orgs to register.

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