▲ 1496 ▼ Firefox has surpassed Chrome on Speedometer (treeherder.mozilla.org) submitted 3 years ago by fattyfoods@feddit.nl to c/technology@lemmy.ml 287 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 188 points 3 years ago (4 children) Congrats to Firefox, it really has made substantial improvements over the years. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] danisth@lemmy.world 72 points 3 years ago Firefox a few years ago would kill my Mac battery in a couple hours, now it’s as good as safari for energy management. No reason not to use it as a daily driver now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 years ago (3 children) Maybe it'll start maintaining Mozilla again. You know: its namesake project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NorwegianBlues@sh.itjust.works 43 points 3 years ago Mozilla Suite, the thing discontinued seventeen years ago!? permalink fedilink source parent [–] pungunner@feddit.de 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) There is a project called Mozilla? Afaik it is the company name? What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LeFantome@programming.dev 19 points 3 years ago (1 child) Mozilla is the name of the Open Source version of Netscape Navigator. It is the pre-cursor to Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Banzai51@midwest.social 18 points 3 years ago (2 children) Not only that, they had goals beyond just a browser. They wanted to create a whole OS ecosystem integrated with the browser. They released Firefox as a side project to just get a browser in everyone's hands while they worked on Mozilla. Turns out the OS ecosystem in a browser was a bust, and Firefox was a winner. Just the Mozilla devs haven't stopped being bitter about it. The old Netscape motivations around the project have been a boat anchor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 15 points 3 years ago (1 child) There was the Firefox mobile OS but apparently that didn't pan out too well it seems. I remember vaguely hearing about it long ago, but not by much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] delta@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I remember that! Pretty sure I tried it out on my Nexus 5. It was cool but even then it seemed an impossible hill to climb. Looks like it was forked into a feature phone OS that’s maintained to this day! permalink fedilink source parent [–] pungunner@feddit.de 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean didn't they achieve that? Today a lot of things are web based. Firefox is a powerful browser. Especially on Android. So if you want you can have your OS in a browser thingy... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Banzai51@midwest.social 2 points 3 years ago Not at all. They created a great browser, which is what us end users wanted, but they never achieved their ecosystem goals. permalink fedilink source parent [+] smpl@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago Yep, I use it every day. That doesn't change the fact that Mozilla gave up on its flagship. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Justaregulardude2001@sopuli.xyz -16 points 3 years ago (2 children) Now all we need is that it provides a better experience than Chrome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cornelius@lemmy.ml 36 points 3 years ago (1 child) Meh, I'll be honest and say that I'm not impressed by chrome in modern day. While I hate Microsoft, edge is a nicer browser to use than chrome, and that's saying something permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Justaregulardude2001@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree, but I think that the normies like to use Chrome because... that's what everyone is using, so I am eager to see how FF can give a better experience to the normal user. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tehcpengsiudai@lemmy.world [B] 6 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Normies (also me) use Gmail, it's easy when you login to your browser and you're partially already authenticated everywhere else. Same goes for android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] riskable@programming.dev 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) it’s easy when you login to your browser and you’re partially already authenticated automatically sending your personal, private information everywhere else. FTFY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 6 points 3 years ago You're correct, but the majority of normies don't care. A lot of people don't naturally feel a strong impulse towards privacy, so the fact that Google knows everything about them doesn't really bother them. permalink fedilink source parent [+] westyvw@lemm.ee 26 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] BorgDrone@lemmy.one -18 points 3 years ago (2 children) I’ll stick to Safari. I don’t trust Mozilla any more than Google or Microsoft. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 21 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ah yes, an open source popular browser that is made by a nonprofit organization is less trustworthy than a close source browser made by a public company permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 1 point 3 years ago An open source organization with a track record of dubious user-hostile behavior. Example one Example two Apple does not add plugins to my browser without my consent, nor do they show ads in my browser. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 9 points 3 years ago (2 children) Isn't Safari made by Apple? It's not like Apple is some paragon of corporate virtue, why do you trust them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kimpilled@infosec.pub 9 points 3 years ago* If you’re running Safari, you’re already running their OS. If Apple wants to spy on you, they’ve already got the means to do so, so you’ve already decided to trust them. Switching to Chrome or Firefox means trusting one more entity in addition to Apple. This expands your possible exposure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Because with Apple I’m the paying customer, not the product being sold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 4 points 3 years ago You're always both. With Apple, it doesn't sell your data, but it does sell curated ad space where they use your data to power their tools. While this is less of an invasion of privacy than Google or the atrocity of Meta's privacy policy, it still exists on a spectrum of how much companies are willing to use your data for extra profit. I'm not saying to not use Apple, hell I'm currently using Microsoft Edge, but I think it's important to understand that literally every profit-driven company is subject to the same systemic flaws and none of them can be completely trusted. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] danisth@lemmy.world 72 points 3 years ago Firefox a few years ago would kill my Mac battery in a couple hours, now it’s as good as safari for energy management. No reason not to use it as a daily driver now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 years ago (3 children) Maybe it'll start maintaining Mozilla again. You know: its namesake project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NorwegianBlues@sh.itjust.works 43 points 3 years ago Mozilla Suite, the thing discontinued seventeen years ago!? permalink fedilink source parent [–] pungunner@feddit.de 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) There is a project called Mozilla? Afaik it is the company name? What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LeFantome@programming.dev 19 points 3 years ago (1 child) Mozilla is the name of the Open Source version of Netscape Navigator. It is the pre-cursor to Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Banzai51@midwest.social 18 points 3 years ago (2 children) Not only that, they had goals beyond just a browser. They wanted to create a whole OS ecosystem integrated with the browser. They released Firefox as a side project to just get a browser in everyone's hands while they worked on Mozilla. Turns out the OS ecosystem in a browser was a bust, and Firefox was a winner. Just the Mozilla devs haven't stopped being bitter about it. The old Netscape motivations around the project have been a boat anchor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 15 points 3 years ago (1 child) There was the Firefox mobile OS but apparently that didn't pan out too well it seems. I remember vaguely hearing about it long ago, but not by much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] delta@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I remember that! Pretty sure I tried it out on my Nexus 5. It was cool but even then it seemed an impossible hill to climb. Looks like it was forked into a feature phone OS that’s maintained to this day! permalink fedilink source parent [–] pungunner@feddit.de 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean didn't they achieve that? Today a lot of things are web based. Firefox is a powerful browser. Especially on Android. So if you want you can have your OS in a browser thingy... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Banzai51@midwest.social 2 points 3 years ago Not at all. They created a great browser, which is what us end users wanted, but they never achieved their ecosystem goals. permalink fedilink source parent [+] smpl@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago Yep, I use it every day. That doesn't change the fact that Mozilla gave up on its flagship. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NorwegianBlues@sh.itjust.works 43 points 3 years ago Mozilla Suite, the thing discontinued seventeen years ago!? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pungunner@feddit.de 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) There is a project called Mozilla? Afaik it is the company name? What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LeFantome@programming.dev 19 points 3 years ago (1 child) Mozilla is the name of the Open Source version of Netscape Navigator. It is the pre-cursor to Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Banzai51@midwest.social 18 points 3 years ago (2 children) Not only that, they had goals beyond just a browser. They wanted to create a whole OS ecosystem integrated with the browser. They released Firefox as a side project to just get a browser in everyone's hands while they worked on Mozilla. Turns out the OS ecosystem in a browser was a bust, and Firefox was a winner. Just the Mozilla devs haven't stopped being bitter about it. The old Netscape motivations around the project have been a boat anchor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 15 points 3 years ago (1 child) There was the Firefox mobile OS but apparently that didn't pan out too well it seems. I remember vaguely hearing about it long ago, but not by much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] delta@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I remember that! Pretty sure I tried it out on my Nexus 5. It was cool but even then it seemed an impossible hill to climb. Looks like it was forked into a feature phone OS that’s maintained to this day! permalink fedilink source parent [–] pungunner@feddit.de 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean didn't they achieve that? Today a lot of things are web based. Firefox is a powerful browser. Especially on Android. So if you want you can have your OS in a browser thingy... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Banzai51@midwest.social 2 points 3 years ago Not at all. They created a great browser, which is what us end users wanted, but they never achieved their ecosystem goals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 19 points 3 years ago (1 child) Mozilla is the name of the Open Source version of Netscape Navigator. It is the pre-cursor to Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Banzai51@midwest.social 18 points 3 years ago (2 children) Not only that, they had goals beyond just a browser. They wanted to create a whole OS ecosystem integrated with the browser. They released Firefox as a side project to just get a browser in everyone's hands while they worked on Mozilla. Turns out the OS ecosystem in a browser was a bust, and Firefox was a winner. Just the Mozilla devs haven't stopped being bitter about it. The old Netscape motivations around the project have been a boat anchor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 15 points 3 years ago (1 child) There was the Firefox mobile OS but apparently that didn't pan out too well it seems. I remember vaguely hearing about it long ago, but not by much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] delta@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I remember that! Pretty sure I tried it out on my Nexus 5. It was cool but even then it seemed an impossible hill to climb. Looks like it was forked into a feature phone OS that’s maintained to this day! permalink fedilink source parent [–] pungunner@feddit.de 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean didn't they achieve that? Today a lot of things are web based. Firefox is a powerful browser. Especially on Android. So if you want you can have your OS in a browser thingy... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Banzai51@midwest.social 2 points 3 years ago Not at all. They created a great browser, which is what us end users wanted, but they never achieved their ecosystem goals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 18 points 3 years ago (2 children) Not only that, they had goals beyond just a browser. They wanted to create a whole OS ecosystem integrated with the browser. They released Firefox as a side project to just get a browser in everyone's hands while they worked on Mozilla. Turns out the OS ecosystem in a browser was a bust, and Firefox was a winner. Just the Mozilla devs haven't stopped being bitter about it. The old Netscape motivations around the project have been a boat anchor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 15 points 3 years ago (1 child) There was the Firefox mobile OS but apparently that didn't pan out too well it seems. I remember vaguely hearing about it long ago, but not by much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] delta@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I remember that! Pretty sure I tried it out on my Nexus 5. It was cool but even then it seemed an impossible hill to climb. Looks like it was forked into a feature phone OS that’s maintained to this day! permalink fedilink source parent [–] pungunner@feddit.de 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean didn't they achieve that? Today a lot of things are web based. Firefox is a powerful browser. Especially on Android. So if you want you can have your OS in a browser thingy... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Banzai51@midwest.social 2 points 3 years ago Not at all. They created a great browser, which is what us end users wanted, but they never achieved their ecosystem goals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 15 points 3 years ago (1 child) There was the Firefox mobile OS but apparently that didn't pan out too well it seems. I remember vaguely hearing about it long ago, but not by much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] delta@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I remember that! Pretty sure I tried it out on my Nexus 5. It was cool but even then it seemed an impossible hill to climb. Looks like it was forked into a feature phone OS that’s maintained to this day! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] delta@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago I remember that! Pretty sure I tried it out on my Nexus 5. It was cool but even then it seemed an impossible hill to climb. Looks like it was forked into a feature phone OS that’s maintained to this day! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pungunner@feddit.de 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) I mean didn't they achieve that? Today a lot of things are web based. Firefox is a powerful browser. Especially on Android. So if you want you can have your OS in a browser thingy... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Banzai51@midwest.social 2 points 3 years ago Not at all. They created a great browser, which is what us end users wanted, but they never achieved their ecosystem goals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Banzai51@midwest.social 2 points 3 years ago Not at all. They created a great browser, which is what us end users wanted, but they never achieved their ecosystem goals. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] smpl@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago Yep, I use it every day. That doesn't change the fact that Mozilla gave up on its flagship. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 years ago Yep, I use it every day. That doesn't change the fact that Mozilla gave up on its flagship. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Justaregulardude2001@sopuli.xyz -16 points 3 years ago (2 children) Now all we need is that it provides a better experience than Chrome. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cornelius@lemmy.ml 36 points 3 years ago (1 child) Meh, I'll be honest and say that I'm not impressed by chrome in modern day. While I hate Microsoft, edge is a nicer browser to use than chrome, and that's saying something permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Justaregulardude2001@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree, but I think that the normies like to use Chrome because... that's what everyone is using, so I am eager to see how FF can give a better experience to the normal user. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tehcpengsiudai@lemmy.world [B] 6 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Normies (also me) use Gmail, it's easy when you login to your browser and you're partially already authenticated everywhere else. Same goes for android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] riskable@programming.dev 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) it’s easy when you login to your browser and you’re partially already authenticated automatically sending your personal, private information everywhere else. FTFY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 6 points 3 years ago You're correct, but the majority of normies don't care. A lot of people don't naturally feel a strong impulse towards privacy, so the fact that Google knows everything about them doesn't really bother them. permalink fedilink source parent [+] westyvw@lemm.ee 26 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cornelius@lemmy.ml 36 points 3 years ago (1 child) Meh, I'll be honest and say that I'm not impressed by chrome in modern day. While I hate Microsoft, edge is a nicer browser to use than chrome, and that's saying something permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Justaregulardude2001@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree, but I think that the normies like to use Chrome because... that's what everyone is using, so I am eager to see how FF can give a better experience to the normal user. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tehcpengsiudai@lemmy.world [B] 6 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Normies (also me) use Gmail, it's easy when you login to your browser and you're partially already authenticated everywhere else. Same goes for android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] riskable@programming.dev 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) it’s easy when you login to your browser and you’re partially already authenticated automatically sending your personal, private information everywhere else. FTFY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 6 points 3 years ago You're correct, but the majority of normies don't care. A lot of people don't naturally feel a strong impulse towards privacy, so the fact that Google knows everything about them doesn't really bother them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Justaregulardude2001@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree, but I think that the normies like to use Chrome because... that's what everyone is using, so I am eager to see how FF can give a better experience to the normal user. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tehcpengsiudai@lemmy.world [B] 6 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Normies (also me) use Gmail, it's easy when you login to your browser and you're partially already authenticated everywhere else. Same goes for android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] riskable@programming.dev 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) it’s easy when you login to your browser and you’re partially already authenticated automatically sending your personal, private information everywhere else. FTFY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 6 points 3 years ago You're correct, but the majority of normies don't care. A lot of people don't naturally feel a strong impulse towards privacy, so the fact that Google knows everything about them doesn't really bother them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tehcpengsiudai@lemmy.world [B] 6 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Normies (also me) use Gmail, it's easy when you login to your browser and you're partially already authenticated everywhere else. Same goes for android. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] riskable@programming.dev 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) it’s easy when you login to your browser and you’re partially already authenticated automatically sending your personal, private information everywhere else. FTFY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 6 points 3 years ago You're correct, but the majority of normies don't care. A lot of people don't naturally feel a strong impulse towards privacy, so the fact that Google knows everything about them doesn't really bother them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] riskable@programming.dev 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) it’s easy when you login to your browser and you’re partially already authenticated automatically sending your personal, private information everywhere else. FTFY permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 6 points 3 years ago You're correct, but the majority of normies don't care. A lot of people don't naturally feel a strong impulse towards privacy, so the fact that Google knows everything about them doesn't really bother them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 6 points 3 years ago You're correct, but the majority of normies don't care. A lot of people don't naturally feel a strong impulse towards privacy, so the fact that Google knows everything about them doesn't really bother them. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] westyvw@lemm.ee 26 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] BorgDrone@lemmy.one -18 points 3 years ago (2 children) I’ll stick to Safari. I don’t trust Mozilla any more than Google or Microsoft. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 21 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ah yes, an open source popular browser that is made by a nonprofit organization is less trustworthy than a close source browser made by a public company permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 1 point 3 years ago An open source organization with a track record of dubious user-hostile behavior. Example one Example two Apple does not add plugins to my browser without my consent, nor do they show ads in my browser. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 9 points 3 years ago (2 children) Isn't Safari made by Apple? It's not like Apple is some paragon of corporate virtue, why do you trust them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kimpilled@infosec.pub 9 points 3 years ago* If you’re running Safari, you’re already running their OS. If Apple wants to spy on you, they’ve already got the means to do so, so you’ve already decided to trust them. Switching to Chrome or Firefox means trusting one more entity in addition to Apple. This expands your possible exposure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Because with Apple I’m the paying customer, not the product being sold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 4 points 3 years ago You're always both. With Apple, it doesn't sell your data, but it does sell curated ad space where they use your data to power their tools. While this is less of an invasion of privacy than Google or the atrocity of Meta's privacy policy, it still exists on a spectrum of how much companies are willing to use your data for extra profit. I'm not saying to not use Apple, hell I'm currently using Microsoft Edge, but I think it's important to understand that literally every profit-driven company is subject to the same systemic flaws and none of them can be completely trusted. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 21 points 3 years ago (1 child) Ah yes, an open source popular browser that is made by a nonprofit organization is less trustworthy than a close source browser made by a public company permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 1 point 3 years ago An open source organization with a track record of dubious user-hostile behavior. Example one Example two Apple does not add plugins to my browser without my consent, nor do they show ads in my browser. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 1 point 3 years ago An open source organization with a track record of dubious user-hostile behavior. Example one Example two Apple does not add plugins to my browser without my consent, nor do they show ads in my browser. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 9 points 3 years ago (2 children) Isn't Safari made by Apple? It's not like Apple is some paragon of corporate virtue, why do you trust them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kimpilled@infosec.pub 9 points 3 years ago* If you’re running Safari, you’re already running their OS. If Apple wants to spy on you, they’ve already got the means to do so, so you’ve already decided to trust them. Switching to Chrome or Firefox means trusting one more entity in addition to Apple. This expands your possible exposure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Because with Apple I’m the paying customer, not the product being sold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 4 points 3 years ago You're always both. With Apple, it doesn't sell your data, but it does sell curated ad space where they use your data to power their tools. While this is less of an invasion of privacy than Google or the atrocity of Meta's privacy policy, it still exists on a spectrum of how much companies are willing to use your data for extra profit. I'm not saying to not use Apple, hell I'm currently using Microsoft Edge, but I think it's important to understand that literally every profit-driven company is subject to the same systemic flaws and none of them can be completely trusted. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kimpilled@infosec.pub 9 points 3 years ago* If you’re running Safari, you’re already running their OS. If Apple wants to spy on you, they’ve already got the means to do so, so you’ve already decided to trust them. Switching to Chrome or Firefox means trusting one more entity in addition to Apple. This expands your possible exposure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BorgDrone@lemmy.one 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Because with Apple I’m the paying customer, not the product being sold. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 4 points 3 years ago You're always both. With Apple, it doesn't sell your data, but it does sell curated ad space where they use your data to power their tools. While this is less of an invasion of privacy than Google or the atrocity of Meta's privacy policy, it still exists on a spectrum of how much companies are willing to use your data for extra profit. I'm not saying to not use Apple, hell I'm currently using Microsoft Edge, but I think it's important to understand that literally every profit-driven company is subject to the same systemic flaws and none of them can be completely trusted. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 4 points 3 years ago You're always both. With Apple, it doesn't sell your data, but it does sell curated ad space where they use your data to power their tools. While this is less of an invasion of privacy than Google or the atrocity of Meta's privacy policy, it still exists on a spectrum of how much companies are willing to use your data for extra profit. I'm not saying to not use Apple, hell I'm currently using Microsoft Edge, but I think it's important to understand that literally every profit-driven company is subject to the same systemic flaws and none of them can be completely trusted. permalink fedilink source parent