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Democrats who attack the rich do better in elections. The party should take notice (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] 75 points 2 years ago (4 children)

nah, they're gonna make fun of Trump for being broke with childish nicknames instead. sink down to his level while making him sound more relatable to all the broke people they want to vote for them. sometimes i think they're trying to lose.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Generally speaking, they do want to lose. If they actually ran on their universally popular policies, they'd win majorities large enough to where they wouldn't have excuses to not enact their legislative mandate, which is at odds with what their corporate donors want.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Their campaign is literally "It'll be worse under the other guy."

    Losing now is the best way for them to win in four years. It is how it has been for decades. When's the last time one party held the presidency for two consecutive candidates? It's a neverending metronome, except the needle moves more to the right each time.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Assuming that we'll have fair elections in 4 years if Trump wins may prove to be one of the worst mistakes this country's voters have ever made.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    When was the last time there was a fair election? Both parties conventions cram the most unpopular candidates down your throats, and always slowly sliding to the right.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Dude we're unprecedented territory and that is basically a gambler's fallacy. There's absolutely no reason to believe that the patterns of the past will continue. For example, Biden already disrupted the power of the Incumbent president and ousted Donald short of 2 terms, which itself is a rarity not seen since Carter.

    "Worse than the other guy" is basically all that people can take at this point, and I think the best argument going into the election. It works because it's one of the only arguments against valid criticisms of Biden. "Yes, he is old; but he is better than the other guy for x, y, and z." Nothing wrong with this strategy.

    I do agree that Democrats need to punch back harder, though.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I do agree that Democrats need to punch back harder, though

    Specifically, they desperately need to punch Netanyahu in the face and cut off arms shipments, because polling shows that people in the US are pissed as hell that we are enabling genocide and Netanyahu repeatedly publicly humiliates Biden in a way that could not be a more obvious sign that Netanyahu is banking on Trump winning.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I honestly hope you're right, so would you mind linking me to that polling?

    My concern is this: Last I checked a majority of Jewish Americans are still pretty sympathetic to Israel, and the Biden administration must toe the line between pissing off Palestinian Americans and Progressives, and a large traditionally-loyal voting bloc that is Jewish Americans.

    If Democrats pivot hard against Netanyahu, they run the risk of Republican ads appealing to low-education voters that, "Biden is sympathetic to Hamas and has no sympathy for October 7th, undermining the defense of Israel and risking another terrorist attack! iS BiDen an aNtiSeMiTe!?"

    So from a strategic standpoint, I completely understand the predicament the Biden strategists are in. Obviously you can tell they want to distance themselves from Israel and Netanyahu but not without undermining an essential voting bloc and letting the literal fascist in office who DEFINITELY does not care remotely about being complicit in genocide.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

    More than one in three Americans believe Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians, a poll published on Wednesday has found.

    According to the Economist/YouGov poll, roughly equal numbers of adults believe Israel’s military campaign against Palestinians, which is estimated to have killed more than 25,000 people since 7 October, amounts to genocide: 35% say it is, 36% say it isn’t, with 29% undecided.

    Let me be clear, the undecided respondents weren’t sure if they should call what Israel is doing genocide not that they agree with it (which means if they are undecided about using such a strong word, they definitely don’t agree with it). This was from a poll more than a month old, the amount of evidence of Israel committing genocide on Palestinians has only been tragically mounting everyday, that poll taken in the US today in all likelihood would show even less support for children being slaughtered on mass.

    Biden is making a massive failure by standing behind Israel because while the mainstream media in the US is in lockstep behind Israel, in general USians aren’t fooled about what is happening here. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for voters in Israel, while Netanyahu isn’t necessarily well loved his policies are popular in the polling within Israel (which is something Israeli Jews are going to have to grapple with for decades to come, how could they have done something so awful in the name of swearing the holocaust would never happen again?).

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/24/americans-believe-israel-committing-genocide-poll

    If Democrats pivot hard against Netanyahu, they run the risk of Republican ads appealing to low-education voters that, “Biden is sympathetic to Hamas and has no sympathy for October 7th, undermining the defense of Israel and risking another terrorist attack! iS BiDen an aNtiSeMiTe!?”

    No, Biden is convinced he lives in this reality but the polling in the US establishes quite firmly that this is a fantasy, Israel is speedrunning becoming a pariah state internationally and in the US and Biden refusing to reign in the genocide happening in Israel could very well cost him the election (and if it does, well maybe it should have).

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    My concern is this: Last I checked a majority of Jewish Americans are still pretty sympathetic to Israel, and the Biden administration must toe the line between pissing off Palestinian Americans and Progressives, and a large traditionally-loyal voting bloc that is Jewish Americans.

    Then lecture them. Not progressives and leftists for refusing to vote for the guy shipping off bombs.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    When's the last time one party held the presidency for two consecutive candidates?

    Obama? Then immediately before that W? Then immediately before that Clinton?

    In the last 50 years only Bush Sr and Trump have served single terms.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    It’s not that they are just doing childish nicknames, they are making all sorts of statements every day about concrete goals, values, and things they want to fix or make better, it’s just that the only things you notice are things like the childish nicknames because… that’s the sort of thing that grabs people’s attention which is the reason they are trying out that tactic as well!

    You yourself probably don’t slog through the boring articles, interviews, press statements, and so on, where they just present plans and ideas rather than headline grabbers. If you did, you wouldn’t paint such a simplistic picture, or wonder if it must be some conspiracy involving thousands of people to purposely lose.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    they are making all sorts of statements every day about concrete goals, values, and things they want to fix or make better

    We all saw how that worked out with BBB. No plan survives contact with the enemy friendly fire.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Don't forget Biden negotiating down on his own campaign promise to fight for $50k forgiveness. And blocking the rail strike. And raising the defense budget. And forcing federal workers back to the office. And going around congress to deliver weapons to Israel.

    But yeah they're totally trying to make things better everybody.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    and continuing the border camps, and paving the way for the Trump wall through federally protected lands via executive order, and trying to pass a border bill that might as well have been written by republicans, and trying to ban TikTok because it made people mad at Israel.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Not enough has been said about the border under Biden. Nothing changed other than him saying not to seperate families, but its still happening, the camps are the same, the department heads are the same, the people staffing the agencies are the same. Its Donald's border with Bidens name on it. He cant even get Texas to obey federal law or stop human trafficking when it comes to immigration.

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