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[–] hahattpro@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (9 children) yeah, interoperability should work to encourage development permalink fedilink source hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Neon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (8 children) I'm sorry to break it to you, but look at how much E-Mail, the biggest open Standard has developed. Without a central Authority behind it, Developement doesn't work. Heck, even with a central authority it's difficult. Just look how many Businesses still use Java 8. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] neutron 4 points 2 years ago Speaking of email, spam becomes an inevitable problem. Anyone in theory can spin up a federated bot instance to spam the hell out of everyone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) XMPP actually started becoming better fast after those authorities (like Google) dropped it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Neon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) It sounds paradoxical, but that's exactly what i meant. There were multiple authorities with different ideas which blocked developement. As soon as there was only one Authority left, developement sped up rapidly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Sorry, but no, that's not how it happened. There were multiple authorities with different ideas which blocked developement. Google didn't block anything, just rolled out XEPs which its client supported and others sometimes did, sometimes didn't, and didn't really want to, because, first, around 2007 the expected requirements to an IM were different, so nobody felt pressed, second, they didn't discuss it with anyone. So, for example, Jingle (VoIP) support was more like a toy - a few clients had it, but disabled by default and nobody cared to test it much. As soon as there was only one Authority left, developement sped up rapidly. Eh, and which would that be? What I see is exactly how useful XEPs were introduced by different people, and sometimes even replaced old XEPs for the same purpose, organically, with no authority involved. By market forces, one could say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, of course google didn't physically block anything, But you had multiple visions diverging and that harmed progress. , and which would that be? The enthusiasts faction running the servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago And there were "multiple visions" long after than and now too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago Interesting how the companies mentioned in the article came up with DKIM and others, a Think of the Children™ argument but for spam, only to consolidate their own services as monopolies and walling-out anyone not using @them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago What do you need in email that isn't already there? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Neon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (8 children) I'm sorry to break it to you, but look at how much E-Mail, the biggest open Standard has developed. Without a central Authority behind it, Developement doesn't work. Heck, even with a central authority it's difficult. Just look how many Businesses still use Java 8. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] neutron 4 points 2 years ago Speaking of email, spam becomes an inevitable problem. Anyone in theory can spin up a federated bot instance to spam the hell out of everyone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) XMPP actually started becoming better fast after those authorities (like Google) dropped it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Neon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) It sounds paradoxical, but that's exactly what i meant. There were multiple authorities with different ideas which blocked developement. As soon as there was only one Authority left, developement sped up rapidly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Sorry, but no, that's not how it happened. There were multiple authorities with different ideas which blocked developement. Google didn't block anything, just rolled out XEPs which its client supported and others sometimes did, sometimes didn't, and didn't really want to, because, first, around 2007 the expected requirements to an IM were different, so nobody felt pressed, second, they didn't discuss it with anyone. So, for example, Jingle (VoIP) support was more like a toy - a few clients had it, but disabled by default and nobody cared to test it much. As soon as there was only one Authority left, developement sped up rapidly. Eh, and which would that be? What I see is exactly how useful XEPs were introduced by different people, and sometimes even replaced old XEPs for the same purpose, organically, with no authority involved. By market forces, one could say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, of course google didn't physically block anything, But you had multiple visions diverging and that harmed progress. , and which would that be? The enthusiasts faction running the servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago And there were "multiple visions" long after than and now too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago Interesting how the companies mentioned in the article came up with DKIM and others, a Think of the Children™ argument but for spam, only to consolidate their own services as monopolies and walling-out anyone not using @them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago What do you need in email that isn't already there? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neutron 4 points 2 years ago Speaking of email, spam becomes an inevitable problem. Anyone in theory can spin up a federated bot instance to spam the hell out of everyone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) XMPP actually started becoming better fast after those authorities (like Google) dropped it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Neon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) It sounds paradoxical, but that's exactly what i meant. There were multiple authorities with different ideas which blocked developement. As soon as there was only one Authority left, developement sped up rapidly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Sorry, but no, that's not how it happened. There were multiple authorities with different ideas which blocked developement. Google didn't block anything, just rolled out XEPs which its client supported and others sometimes did, sometimes didn't, and didn't really want to, because, first, around 2007 the expected requirements to an IM were different, so nobody felt pressed, second, they didn't discuss it with anyone. So, for example, Jingle (VoIP) support was more like a toy - a few clients had it, but disabled by default and nobody cared to test it much. As soon as there was only one Authority left, developement sped up rapidly. Eh, and which would that be? What I see is exactly how useful XEPs were introduced by different people, and sometimes even replaced old XEPs for the same purpose, organically, with no authority involved. By market forces, one could say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, of course google didn't physically block anything, But you had multiple visions diverging and that harmed progress. , and which would that be? The enthusiasts faction running the servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago And there were "multiple visions" long after than and now too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Neon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) It sounds paradoxical, but that's exactly what i meant. There were multiple authorities with different ideas which blocked developement. As soon as there was only one Authority left, developement sped up rapidly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Sorry, but no, that's not how it happened. There were multiple authorities with different ideas which blocked developement. Google didn't block anything, just rolled out XEPs which its client supported and others sometimes did, sometimes didn't, and didn't really want to, because, first, around 2007 the expected requirements to an IM were different, so nobody felt pressed, second, they didn't discuss it with anyone. So, for example, Jingle (VoIP) support was more like a toy - a few clients had it, but disabled by default and nobody cared to test it much. As soon as there was only one Authority left, developement sped up rapidly. Eh, and which would that be? What I see is exactly how useful XEPs were introduced by different people, and sometimes even replaced old XEPs for the same purpose, organically, with no authority involved. By market forces, one could say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, of course google didn't physically block anything, But you had multiple visions diverging and that harmed progress. , and which would that be? The enthusiasts faction running the servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago And there were "multiple visions" long after than and now too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Sorry, but no, that's not how it happened. There were multiple authorities with different ideas which blocked developement. Google didn't block anything, just rolled out XEPs which its client supported and others sometimes did, sometimes didn't, and didn't really want to, because, first, around 2007 the expected requirements to an IM were different, so nobody felt pressed, second, they didn't discuss it with anyone. So, for example, Jingle (VoIP) support was more like a toy - a few clients had it, but disabled by default and nobody cared to test it much. As soon as there was only one Authority left, developement sped up rapidly. Eh, and which would that be? What I see is exactly how useful XEPs were introduced by different people, and sometimes even replaced old XEPs for the same purpose, organically, with no authority involved. By market forces, one could say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, of course google didn't physically block anything, But you had multiple visions diverging and that harmed progress. , and which would that be? The enthusiasts faction running the servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago And there were "multiple visions" long after than and now too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Neon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, of course google didn't physically block anything, But you had multiple visions diverging and that harmed progress. , and which would that be? The enthusiasts faction running the servers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago And there were "multiple visions" long after than and now too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago And there were "multiple visions" long after than and now too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0x0@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago Interesting how the companies mentioned in the article came up with DKIM and others, a Think of the Children™ argument but for spam, only to consolidate their own services as monopolies and walling-out anyone not using @them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago What do you need in email that isn't already there? permalink fedilink source parent