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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Didn't he say something about a 2 state solution being the eventual goal?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes, he has been saying this. What is lacking is a plan to get there. Against the opposition of the current Israeli government.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

How does the American president develop a plan when one side is refusing to even say if the hostages are alive and acknowledge the existence of the other party?

It's so weird that people act like Hamas/Palestinians aren't required to be a part of the process..... when they're the ones who have turned down the deals Egypt and Qatar have brokered.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Hamas is part of the process, they have attended the negotiations.

Fact is Israel is the one who keeps refusing to participate.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Israel won't negotiate until they get a list of names of living hostages. That's what's being negotiated, Hamas won't provide it. Blaming Israel because Hamas won't come to the table in any reasonable way is ridiculous.

The Qatar's have threatened to boot Hamas if they don't start negotiating in good faith is the news coming out lately. Blaming Israel for not negotiating over nothing is just stupid.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Israel cannot get a list of names until they stop bombing the place and shooting everyone.

How is Hamas meant to go out and find out who's even survived Israeli bombings if they get killed? Even ambulances with Israeli permission to rescue young children aren't even safe to travel the streets.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Israel won't negotiate

You could've stopped there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Meanwhile Qatar is threatening to boot Hamas because they're not negotiating in good faith.

Your narrative doesn't match reality.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Bad faith negotiators all around, hard to blame Biden.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yet the squad and their backers are finding ways to undermine their own..... interesting how that works.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Right. The principal parties of such negotiations are the Israeli- and the Palestinian Government, with Hamas in the mix, because they control the Gaza Strip.

Anyone outside those groups can make suggestions, demands, etc., but there are limited means for them to influence such negotiations. The US government can threaten to withhold support (at the risk of being labeled antisemitic or at least anti Israel), but I wouldn't bet my bottom dollar that it would make a difference in this climate.

I did not mean imply that Biden and his government can make a plan, and expect it to be followed. However, I feel that for his own benefit, Biden has to make a public display of making stronger demands for a resolution of this problem. It may not fix things in the Middle East in the short term, but it will demonstrate that he cares, and that the USA cares.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago

That's fair, I would probably agree with most of how you have reframed that. I think the qataris have an outside influence and obviously Iran's input would mean something.

I think Biden bringing Gantz over for a chat is about as big of a threat to Bibi as you're going to see though. That's notable on many levels.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

He says a lot of things. He's supporting Netanyahu's genocide by selling him weapons and backing him up at the UN.

His support for a 2 state solution consists of words.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The two state solution here seems to be a border with Israel on one side and Egypt on the other.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This is just willful ignorance at this point, the administration has been saying consistently since at least a month after October 7th, that a two state solution was the only answer to permanently solve the crisis.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

Contrast what is being said with what is happening. Gazans are being pushed hard against that Egypt border. They are being starved and killed. Where does this end if US watches it continue?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

And yet they will do nothing to make it happen, just like every administration before them. At what point will you care that it's just lip service?