▲ 204 ▼ Elon Musk’s legal case against OpenAI is hilariously bad - The Verge (www.theverge.com) submitted 2 years ago by 1984@lemmy.today to c/technology@lemmy.world 22 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] wonderfulvoltaire@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (13 children) Douchebag incorporated permalink fedilink source hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] 1984@lemmy.today [S] 13 points 2 years ago (12 children) Someone said on hacker news that he is doing it to force open Ai to share their secrets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 39 points 2 years ago (2 children) There's no real secret. They scraped the collected works of humanity with no regard for intellectual property rights and are now hiding behind the guise of being a "non-profit" company, despite raking in loads. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JorMaFur@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago I get the last part of your comment, where they make money from their AI's, but I'm curious if you could explain why them scraping everything on the internet is a bad thing? I'm really curious, as I see it more as an advantage that they could scrape just everything rather than a disadvantage: if we start getting LLMs that only scrape certain sites or certain topics, we're just making the echo chambers even more defined. Them scraping everything feels a bit like the internet era where APIs were open and semi-unlimited. I do get that them having used , for example, all the Tolkien books as part of their dataset, and users being able to ask their tools to "write a new LOTR" book, could be seen as a problem, but even then it's only a problem when they commercialise it, and we have laws in place for those things. Fanfics have always been a thing and are just the same, except that it takes more effort as it's a human writing it. Again: I'm really curious about your view and opinion, as you can see that mine is quite different. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1984@lemmy.today [S] 0 points 2 years ago There is a secret somewhere, because they are doing a lot better than Microsoft and Google. :) permalink fedilink source parent [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (5 children) it’s not the worst thing in the world to fight for AI to be completely open No, but is that really what Musk is trying to do here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) My point was more that I'm not sure what he's doing counts as "fighting to keep AI open". I mean, yes, that may be the stated purpose, but I really don't believe that's what he's getting at permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Must be true if Musk said it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] tabular@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Might be easier to force them to change their name if they ain't "open" (source) anymore /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago Not gonna lie, their name is a huge annoyance for me. They're about as open as Bill Gates is a philanthropist permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1984@lemmy.today [S] 13 points 2 years ago (12 children) Someone said on hacker news that he is doing it to force open Ai to share their secrets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 39 points 2 years ago (2 children) There's no real secret. They scraped the collected works of humanity with no regard for intellectual property rights and are now hiding behind the guise of being a "non-profit" company, despite raking in loads. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JorMaFur@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago I get the last part of your comment, where they make money from their AI's, but I'm curious if you could explain why them scraping everything on the internet is a bad thing? I'm really curious, as I see it more as an advantage that they could scrape just everything rather than a disadvantage: if we start getting LLMs that only scrape certain sites or certain topics, we're just making the echo chambers even more defined. Them scraping everything feels a bit like the internet era where APIs were open and semi-unlimited. I do get that them having used , for example, all the Tolkien books as part of their dataset, and users being able to ask their tools to "write a new LOTR" book, could be seen as a problem, but even then it's only a problem when they commercialise it, and we have laws in place for those things. Fanfics have always been a thing and are just the same, except that it takes more effort as it's a human writing it. Again: I'm really curious about your view and opinion, as you can see that mine is quite different. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1984@lemmy.today [S] 0 points 2 years ago There is a secret somewhere, because they are doing a lot better than Microsoft and Google. :) permalink fedilink source parent [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (5 children) it’s not the worst thing in the world to fight for AI to be completely open No, but is that really what Musk is trying to do here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) My point was more that I'm not sure what he's doing counts as "fighting to keep AI open". I mean, yes, that may be the stated purpose, but I really don't believe that's what he's getting at permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Must be true if Musk said it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] tabular@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Might be easier to force them to change their name if they ain't "open" (source) anymore /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago Not gonna lie, their name is a huge annoyance for me. They're about as open as Bill Gates is a philanthropist permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 39 points 2 years ago (2 children) There's no real secret. They scraped the collected works of humanity with no regard for intellectual property rights and are now hiding behind the guise of being a "non-profit" company, despite raking in loads. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JorMaFur@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago I get the last part of your comment, where they make money from their AI's, but I'm curious if you could explain why them scraping everything on the internet is a bad thing? I'm really curious, as I see it more as an advantage that they could scrape just everything rather than a disadvantage: if we start getting LLMs that only scrape certain sites or certain topics, we're just making the echo chambers even more defined. Them scraping everything feels a bit like the internet era where APIs were open and semi-unlimited. I do get that them having used , for example, all the Tolkien books as part of their dataset, and users being able to ask their tools to "write a new LOTR" book, could be seen as a problem, but even then it's only a problem when they commercialise it, and we have laws in place for those things. Fanfics have always been a thing and are just the same, except that it takes more effort as it's a human writing it. Again: I'm really curious about your view and opinion, as you can see that mine is quite different. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1984@lemmy.today [S] 0 points 2 years ago There is a secret somewhere, because they are doing a lot better than Microsoft and Google. :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JorMaFur@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago I get the last part of your comment, where they make money from their AI's, but I'm curious if you could explain why them scraping everything on the internet is a bad thing? I'm really curious, as I see it more as an advantage that they could scrape just everything rather than a disadvantage: if we start getting LLMs that only scrape certain sites or certain topics, we're just making the echo chambers even more defined. Them scraping everything feels a bit like the internet era where APIs were open and semi-unlimited. I do get that them having used , for example, all the Tolkien books as part of their dataset, and users being able to ask their tools to "write a new LOTR" book, could be seen as a problem, but even then it's only a problem when they commercialise it, and we have laws in place for those things. Fanfics have always been a thing and are just the same, except that it takes more effort as it's a human writing it. Again: I'm really curious about your view and opinion, as you can see that mine is quite different. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1984@lemmy.today [S] 0 points 2 years ago There is a secret somewhere, because they are doing a lot better than Microsoft and Google. :) permalink fedilink source parent
[+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (5 children) it’s not the worst thing in the world to fight for AI to be completely open No, but is that really what Musk is trying to do here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) My point was more that I'm not sure what he's doing counts as "fighting to keep AI open". I mean, yes, that may be the stated purpose, but I really don't believe that's what he's getting at permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Must be true if Musk said it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (5 children) it’s not the worst thing in the world to fight for AI to be completely open No, but is that really what Musk is trying to do here? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) My point was more that I'm not sure what he's doing counts as "fighting to keep AI open". I mean, yes, that may be the stated purpose, but I really don't believe that's what he's getting at permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Must be true if Musk said it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) My point was more that I'm not sure what he's doing counts as "fighting to keep AI open". I mean, yes, that may be the stated purpose, but I really don't believe that's what he's getting at permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Must be true if Musk said it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) My point was more that I'm not sure what he's doing counts as "fighting to keep AI open". I mean, yes, that may be the stated purpose, but I really don't believe that's what he's getting at permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Must be true if Musk said it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Must be true if Musk said it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Must be true if Musk said it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] zelifcam@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Might be easier to force them to change their name if they ain't "open" (source) anymore /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago Not gonna lie, their name is a huge annoyance for me. They're about as open as Bill Gates is a philanthropist permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago Not gonna lie, their name is a huge annoyance for me. They're about as open as Bill Gates is a philanthropist permalink fedilink source parent