1321
Please don't use Discord for FOSS projects (drewdevault.com)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/opensource@lemmy.ml
402 comments fedilink hide all child comments
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 17 points 2 years ago (26 children)

Forums are not the same as real-time. And yes for most of the people using discord, forums wouldn't cover the same niche.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 26 child comments
    •
  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I think you might just be blinded by Discord for some reason. I'm not sure what "niche" you're referring to with Discord that can't be provided with forums (unless you're worried about cosmetics I guess?). There are forums with real-time communications like chat, notifications, direct-messaging. I'm not trying to argue, getting your perspective is always helpful and might show something I'm missing, but your responses seem vague and not really a counter-point.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
    •
  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    My perspective is of a FOSS developer with multiple communities of thousands. If you can't grasp it, that's on you. It's also why purity moralizing isn't useful. I have only so much mental bandwidth to spend on organizing and self-hosting. If people are not stepping up to do the community management and infrastructure work, I will go with the past of least resistance.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
    •
  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    If you can’t grasp it, that’s on you. It’s also why purity moralizing isn’t useful

    oh ok, thanks for the clarification.

    If people are not stepping up to do the community management and infrastructure work, I will go with the past of least resistance.

    That's basically it in a nut shell, path of least resistance. Doesn't refute any claims made in the article or arguments presented here. Just a shame another company has a stranglehold on a whole category of services that have to be used to participate in society ... while developing FOSS.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
    •
  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Doesn’t refute any claims made in the article or arguments presented here.

    Nothing to refute. I never said otherwise. Discord is just more convenient for people already overworked.

    Just a shame another company has a stranglehold on a whole category of services that have to be used to participate in society … while developing FOSS.

    Yes, it is a shame. I hope you're doing something practical about it instead of moralizing towards FOSS devs.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
    •
  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Building communities and stuff that bring value to users is what really matters at the end of the day. Too many folks in the FOSS world like to stand on soap boxes.

    My time is valuable, if I can have someone else run a service, then that's time I can spend doing things I enjoy. Self host when it makes sense, either from a cost perspective or a data privacy perspective. Everything is a balance.

    Nothing will ever be as convenient as letting someone else handle your infrastructure headaches. You don't win by complaining, you win by providing a better user value.

    It's why Steam beats Torrents and Torrents are coming back over streaming. My time is precious man.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
    •
  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Great, use Matrix

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 13 child comments
    •
  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I've used matrix. I am still using matrix. Just not for anything with a significant community

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Servers & clients use too many resources. Because of this, most have centralized around Matrix.org which kind defeats the purpose.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
    •
  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Servers & clients use too many resources.

    Didn't XMPP solve that in, like, 1999?

    (Really, what is with devs and nu-protocols these days? Back in my days you could run a webhost on a potato)

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
    •
  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    The did, but Matrix is coming to reinvent that while but by wasting resources trying to duplicate the state of everything at massive storage costs & without the extensibility because JSON.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)

    There's a Mozilla home server as well, so federation is working.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
    •
  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    That server is under the Matrix.org fleet. It’s like saying Edge isn’t Chrome.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    The server itself doesn't matter, you can migrate it to AWS or your own physical server if you oenn the domain

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    The server does matter when it comes to who is collecting all of the metadata, data, attachments. …And having that all that data centralized around a single entity is a problem.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    In this case that would be Mozilla, not the host

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Matrix.org hosts Mozilla’s Matrix server. Further, the way all data is synced to all servers means if someone with a Matrix.org ID joins your room (which is most users), all data is synced to the home server. Almost all of the data is in Matrix.org’s possession & with the servers being as expensive as they are to run, more orgs shutdown when popular causing users to flock to the mother instance.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
    •