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He didn't really do anything for gay rights either. He didn't even support gay marriage until his second term. Gay marriage only became law because of the Supreme Court.
Imagine the privilege of someone unable to tell the difference between casual indifference and outright hostility.
OK, well what the hell are you talking about? Who, "stripped gay people of their rights?" Because in my lifetime, there have been two major changes in gay rights. One was DOMA, which rejected gay marriage, and was passed by a Republican congress and signed by Bill Clinton. The other was the Obergefell v. Hodges, where a conservative leaning Supreme Court legalized gay marriage. So why is this your litmus test? Why does being ambivalent on gay rights for half his Presidency mean Obama can't be a, "conservative asshole?"
I don't even know where to start with this idiocy
You just argued that Obama wasn't a conservative based entirely on the fact that he had a, "casual indifference," towards gay rights, but sure, I'm the idiot.
Yeah. That's centrist, especially for 20 years ago. Republicans literally want to kill all gays. That's conservative.
OK, we'll just set the hyperbole aside for a second, 'cause I really want an answer on this...why is gay rights your only barometer for what a conservative is? Like, if I want to lower taxes on the wealthy, cut social programs, increase military spending and ban abortion, but I don't have any problem with gay people, does that mean I'm not a conservative?
I just picked the first topic that came into my head. There's really a thousand different examples where Democrats are good or neutral but Republicans are mustache twirling evil.
OK, here's the thing; the Republicans are generally mustache twirling bad guys, but the Democrats are rarely good or neutral, especially at the federal level. They have nice rhetoric, but they never live up to it. Clinton gutted welfare, expanded mass incarceration, and ended Glass-Steagall (which directly led to the 2008 housing market crash). Obama abandoned universal healthcare, reneged on his promise to bailout homeowners, and created the largest domestic spying program in human history. Again, even in the topic you came up with, Democrats did literally nothing to advance gay rights, it was the Supreme Court.
It's very tempting to boil politics down to a binary, good/evil choice, especially now that at least half of the Republican party is openly supporting facism, but you can't just assume the Democrats are the good guys. If their voters don't hold them accountable for their broken promises and inaction, the country will continue to slide into this right-wing hellscape we're all facing.
If the voters punish democrats for not immediately bringing utopia, it will ensure a slide into right wing fascism.
You should punish the Democrats when they act like conservatives. If you don't, you don't have ideals, you just like rooting for a team, and you might be happier following sports, not politics.
But you don't understand the difference between "not being Leftist" and "being conservative". There's a big gulf between those two.
You're talking in vagueries and I'm dealing in specifics. Address any of the concrete examples I've given of the Democrats taking explicitly conservative positions or just stop.
I cannot believe how patient you've been.
No, because as soon as I talk about one you'll just immediately pivot and move the goal posts to something else. I'm not dumb. Getting into specifics is a trap. You just cherry pick things to set a false narrative that's not representative of democratic politicians as a whole.
The end result is that every politician must be perfectly in line with everything you want, with no compromise, at all times, or they're just as bad as the people actually opposing you. Which is why Leftists never win elections. No politician is ever good enough for you because politics involves compromise.