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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.
[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]
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Is it me or is there a big ex-evangelical presence in rationalism?
Maybe I'm paranoid but I can't help but feel that the recent spate of "omg people have having too few children!" on HN is just another way to promote anti-abortion policies to the non-religious.
Representative example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39499490 (linked article originally published on Quillette, natch)
It's white supremacy mainly, but yes, treating women as wombs is absolutely part of the package.
From all I've read about classical fascism, misogyny is an integral part of it. It's just not something that stands out since the baseline for misogyny was much higher in the interwar years.
And worries about population was widespread outside fascism too. Two of the patron saints of Swedish social democracy, the Myrdals, were famous for their polemic Kris i befolkningsfrågan (1931, sv_SE) which led to decisions about child support and the construction of flats that were better for families with children.
Transl: a positive population policy should not focus on having fewer poor families having very many children, rather that most families should have let's say 3 children.
They also mean "the wrong people are having too many children".
Also:
Poor black people with lots of kids, using government assistance: "Don't have kids you can't afford!"
Middle-class white people putting off having kids because they can't afford them: "Don't give us that excuse, start breeding!"
@saucerwizard Rationalism overlaps with TESCREAL and stuff like Extropianism and Cosmism which was invented by a straight-up Russian Orthodox theologian and philosopher, Nikolai Federov, in the late 19th century, to provide a teleological imperative for space colonization. It borrowed its structural skeleton from Christianity.
Charlie Stross called the Singularity "the rapture for nerds".
@dashdsrdash
The rapture *of* the Nerds, and I got the phrase from Ken MacLeod, who says he got it from someone else (but forgot who it was).
The design patterns of Christian fundamentalism show up strongly in singularitarianism (minus the God'n'Jeezus show). Not surprising given its ancestry lies in Russian Cosmism.
So advocating for "the uploaded" is like advocating for the souls of the elect in heaven, after the ain't-happened-yet Rapture.
well, Roko did put in the foundaions
It does seems so. Someone else remarked similarly in the aella thread a while back
there very much is, yes